WTF, this can't be right?

**Colapop** · 2nd November 2005, 13:59

Originally Posted by Cibby Chick

i'd also like an exemption to carry pillions as being blonde, hot and on a sexy bike, my pulling ability would be duely increased and how else am i supposed to get these guys home for a shag?"
Think that would work??

Wouldn't work for me she'd never stop! Boohoo...

**Ixion** · 2nd November 2005, 14:36

You can apply to the LTSA for an exemption from almost all the graduated licensing stuff. Over 250cc bike, sit the test immediately without waiting, etc.

But - it's NOT automatic. You have to send in a form (get it from AA or VTNZ). Provide lots of info on why you are special , and should be excused from You need to have GOOD reasons AND be able to prove them. And the "bigger" the exception the less likely.

So they MIGHT approve a 400 for a restricted rider, if he was very big/tall, had to ride long distances TO WORK (not just for blatting) - etc . But probably WOULDN'T approve a GSXR1100 for the same reasons. And they do have people who know what's what. And (in the case of a capacity exemption) it would be for a specific bike, and you'd have to carry it and produce it if you were stopped. No getting an exemption for a 350 BSA Sidevalve (they approved that one - argument was it was slower and safer than any modern 250, and the guy was a vintage nut) , then jumping on a Hayabusa.

Same rules for cars by the way. But - you either have to be very good at lying , or have a genuine good reason. Just "cos I want to" is not a good reason.

The fundamental criterion is that what you want must not reduce safety.

EDIT. Costs about $20 or so, and you don't get a refund if they so no. Which they usually do. BTW, it appears that you have a much better chance if you are over 25 - unbder 25 seems to be almost automatic "no". But, having said that, prolly someone under 25 has been lucky.

**crashe** · 2nd November 2005, 14:40

I believe that you can get an excemption if you can prove that you are just tooooooooooooooo big for a 250cc.

Not everyone will get the excemption.... but some guys just look tooooo funny on a 250cc if they are a giant of a bloke.

**gamgee** · 2nd November 2005, 14:42

yeah legally i should probably get an exemption to ride outside hours as i have to ride to work at 5:30 in the mourning some days, illegally though, i can't be bothered so i'll just risk it

**Colapop** · 2nd November 2005, 14:45

So if I send them a pic of me on a AG100 not only would they laff but they'd also give me an exemption? I had to buy a XXXL shirt today coz I ripped the XL I was wearing, I'm either excessively fat or well muscled. (I'm voting for the latter - I don't care if Jenny Craig wants me on their posters)

**Ixion** · 2nd November 2005, 15:04

Originally Posted by crashe

I believe that you can get an excemption if you can prove that you are just tooooooooooooooo big for a 250cc.

Not everyone will get the excemption.... but some guys just look tooooo funny on a 250cc if they are a giant of a bloke.

I think you'd have to argue (and try to prove) that you were so big that it was actually a safety hazard . Probably produce pictures showing how you had to double up, couldn't reach controls whatever, on a selection of bikes.Or maybe that you weighed so much that you would exceed the rated weight limits for the bike or tyres - I imagine that would be VERY big. Just "looking silly" wouldn't work

EDIT: Is 5:30 illegal? I thought the curfew was 10pm to 5 am - but I can't be bothered looking it up.

**Ixion** · 2nd November 2005, 15:06

Originally Posted by gamgee

yeah legally i should probably get an exemption to ride outside hours as i have to ride to work at 5:30 in the mourning some days, illegally though, i can't be bothered so i'll just risk it

The "outside hours" exemptions are, I believe , the easiest to get. Just need a supporting letter from an employer. But it is only an exemption to ride to and from work I think - by the "shortest practical route". Like a "work licence" that you can apply for if you get disqualified. Get caught outside the "direct route" and you get done. And , once again, have to carry the exemption letter to produce if need be

**snuffles** · 2nd November 2005, 16:15

Under the new CBTA riding license assesment, you can sit your full license on a bike bigger than 250 cc, to do this you need to get a special exemption for the day.

I did mine on a 600.

**sAsLEX** · 2nd November 2005, 16:55

ans here i am thinking you can ride 400s on a restricted luckily I have an VFR250!

**Gremlin** · 2nd November 2005, 17:39

as has been said, he probably got the exemption because he was a fat bastard.

As Ixion said, you can try for an exemption on basically any restriction on any license. Handled on a case by case basis. The form is called a "Application for an Exemption", form DL4

Was researching on my learners, managed to get quite far up the ltsa ladder to someone in Christchurch (I believe they manage all the applications). Said, on a learner, that it is very unlikely, only very exceptional circumstances.

Originally Posted by From DL4 form

Exemptions to a driver licensing requirement can only be granted in very special circumstances. If it is considered that granting an exemption will make you or other road users less safe, the application must be declined.

There are also other factors that must be taken into account when considering that the risk will not be increased by granting an exemption. Additional factors that must be considered are:
- the requirement for which you want an exemption has been mostly complied with, making further (complete) compliance unnecessary; or
- The alternative yuo are asking for is just as effective or more effective than complying with the requirement itself; or
- The requirement is clearly unreasonable or inappropriate in your particular case; or
- Events have occured that make the requirement unnecessary or inappropriate in your particular case.

snip... LTSA may impose conditions on exemption - eg. hours - for to and from work only

what a wanker for saying it is easy, ruins it for those that need it, or would be safer with it.

**polykarbonate** · 2nd November 2005, 18:55

Hi Guys And gals.

This is that guy selling the bike in question.

THis is a riding jacket that makes me look massive, lol. it does make me look super fat tho eh.

Anybody want to see a copy of my exemption? its like yall don't beleive or something.

I'f you have got a problem with something ive put in my auction let me know about it in person or grow up.

**sAsLEX** · 2nd November 2005, 22:06

Originally Posted by snuffles

Under the new CBTA riding license assesment, you can sit your full license on a bike bigger than 250 cc, to do this you need to get a special exemption for the day.

I did mine on a 600.

only if your old, i cant for my 400! hence i haven't done cbta yet

**Karma** · 2nd November 2005, 22:17

Originally Posted by SpeedMedic

And dont worry theres a few people here whos "puffy jackets" make em look big he he

I wish that was my excuse

**Gremlin** · 3rd November 2005, 01:20

Originally Posted by polykarbonate

Anybody want to see a copy of my exemption? its like yall don't beleive or something.

Not doubting that you have one.

We just don't like the fact you state you can ride it on a restricted. The law is clear that 250cc is the maximum, unless you have an exemption.

Not everyone can get one, the evidence has to be clear that you are just as safe, there is a need for it etc etc.

Wouldn't mind some more details on your exemption experience, as I will be heading in that direction in a week or so...

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