Speeding

[scumdog]

I'm personally of the belief that speed limits should be personalised based on the riders / drivers skill level.

Do you imagine for instance that Rossi or Schumacher riding / driving around town / on the motorways have the same skills as say, your aunt Vera? No? Then why should they be made to do the same speed?

I think that if we were to use a graduated system, whereby you took various tests to show that you could safely operate your vehicle at speeds above and beyond the rest of the population then you should be allowed to.

Basic Stage = Speed limit
Stage 2 = Speed limit + 10kph
Stage 3 = Speed limit + 20kph
Stage 4 = Speed limit + 30kph

Something like that.

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

[Toast]

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

Maybe if she can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle she shouldn't be on the road?

Honestly though, policing this kinda system would be a mish with current technology. We'd all have to wear blue coats for stage 4, etc....

Maybe in the future cars will have little boxes that you insert your licence in to, which transmits waves identifying your class...and if the po-po gets an alert from his radar that some brother is breaching his conditions, the Santa Parade gets in to full swing.

That kinda info would probably mean that they could track our speed anywhere though...so I'm guessing that there'd be a whole lot of Big Brother kind of protests.

[wendigo]

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

What the little old lady thinks or knows is utterly irrelevant. By being a stage 4 driver, I will have proved that I take situations like these into account, if you get my drift.

Mind you, this is no different from my present day to day driving when I have to take other peoples dodgy driving into account anyway.

I say bring it on. As for policing it, what's the problem? Blast by a gatso, get pinged, info downloaded to database, ticketing app takes info, looks up owner, owner is flagged as Stage 4 driver, record is rejected and deleted. As for getting stopped by pc plod on the road, simply present licence. Meanwhile all the 'standard' drivers going past can go tut tut isn't he a naughty boy, and slow down.

As for the argument that pc plod would spend to much time stopping advanced drivers, again I dissagree as most of us have long term memory, hence pc plod would in all likelyhood recognise the vehicles/drivers after 1 or 2 stops.

This idea (which is not new), though great in theory, will never ever be put into practice however, as all the bleeding hearted hand wringers will kill it. Pity.

As for Korea's (and numerous other's) comment about the state of the roads over here, here's the inside scoop boys and girls. They are actually pretty dammn good. If you want to see shit roads, try driving round some of the back roads of Wicklow, Ireland, were I come from. I drove them for 10 years, and nothing, I repeat nothing, I've come across over here comes close.

[Ixion]

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

So how at present does the little old lday about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a full Class 6 licence holder as opposed to a slower Class 6 Learner licence holder (no forward L plates) and therfore travelling 30kph faster.

[Karma]

Maybe if she can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle she shouldn't be on the road?

Sounds about right to me.

Honestly though, policing this kinda system would be a mish with current technology. We'd all have to wear blue coats for stage 4, etc....

I was thinking more along the line of coloured number plates or some kinda identifier, almost like an L Plate but with numbers.

Maybe in the future cars will have little boxes that you insert your licence in to, which transmits waves identifying your class...and if the po-po gets an alert from his radar that some brother is breaching his conditions, the Santa Parade gets in to full swing.

That kinda info would probably mean that they could track our speed anywhere though...so I'm guessing that there'd be a whole lot of Big Brother kind of protests.

They're talking about doing this in the UK at the moment.

If they put GPS units in every car then they can track where you where at one point, your speed at any point, average speed, whether you were in the vicinity of any crimes etc...

The government will continue to try and fine us in bigger and ever more impressive ways

[scumdog]

So how at present does the little old lday about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a full Class 6 licence holder as opposed to a slower Class 6 Learner licence holder (no forward L plates) and therfore travelling 30kph faster.

She doesn't - and that problem does not raise its head TOO much at present, probably because (going by comments on this site) the "L" licence holders do not adhere to the lower speed limit (especially when the think no cop is around).

You would actually have about a 50kph speed differential what with super cautious beginners travelling slower than their limit and 'experienced' riders 'cribbing' their upper speed limit by an extra 10kph.s

Imagine the chaos on a KB ride with this fantasy licence related speed limit, - nose to tails everywhere!!

There's a whole gammut of potential problems with the idea - and I'm not even looking at the enforcement side of things.

People doing U-turns, kids using pedestrian crossings, - you name it, if it involves a variation of speed, judgement and human beings it will all end in tears!!

[Ixion]

But you already have a variation of speed, judgement and human beings on the open road. From Mr Speedy at 110kph (I'm ignoring "get you a ticket" speeds, cos that's sort of a circular argument"), through Stan at 90kph (cos his speedo says 100 ) , and Fred towing the trailer at 80kph (ocs HIS speedo says 90) , via the L plate motorcyclist legally tootling at 70kph to Mabel relentlessly plowing along at 60 kph "because that's QUITE fast enough for anyone".

Go out on a State Highway, near a country town. Watch the traffic. You already have far more than a 30kph variation.

[scumdog]

But you already have a variation of speed, judgement and human beings on the open road. From Mr Speedy at 110kph (I'm ignoring "get you a ticket" speeds, cos that's sort of a circular argument"), through Stan at 90kph (cos his speedo says 100 ) , and Fred towing the trailer at 80kph (ocs HIS speedo says 90) , via the L plate motorcyclist legally tootling at 70kph to Mabel relentlessly plowing along at 60 kph "because that's QUITE fast enough for anyone".

Go out on a State Highway, near a country town. Watch the traffic. You already have far more than a 30kph variation.

Hmm, good points, bigger vehicle not so much of a problem BUT as we all know, bikes are hard enough to see let alone judge their approaching speeds at the best of times.....

And what happens to a husband/wife team and one has a Stage4 and the other a Stage one? does one speed up or the other slow down??? decissions, decissions...

[myvice]

Want safer roads?
Ban cell phones in cars, all of them.
No TV's in cars, used to be illegal, now it isn’t?
Re-licence every 10 years.
No driving till your 18.
Restricted car licenses, 1500 or under, no turbos.
An actual driving test, in all conditions on a track where they have to drive across gravel, wet slippery areas, through tight windy placers, etc.
I would like to see min 6 months on a bike befor being allowed in a car.
So it costs you $250 to sit your learners? How bad do you want to drive?
You can add a good public transport system to the list, as that would decrease the number of the cars out there as well.
Fat chance of seeing any of this ever put into practice, so how about we re-label the NZ licensing system as random crowed control and hope we react faster than the next poor sod who ends up under a tarp on the side of a road somewhere?

[JohnR]

Sounds about right to me.


They're talking about doing this in the UK at the moment.

If they put GPS units in every car then they can track where you where at one point, your speed at any point, average speed, whether you were in the vicinity of any crimes etc...

The government will continue to try and fine us in bigger and ever more impressive ways

Some European cars, BMW, Mercedes (including ambulances, eh speedmedic ) etc, have GPS standard.
I read awhile ago about a bloke who was ticketed while driving one of the above, contested the ticket using data from "black box", and won!
This hapened in good ol' unzud too.

[What?]

[QUOTE=myvice]Want safer roads?
...
Restricted car licenses, 1500 or under, no turbos...QUOTE]
That will work as well as the 250cc law.
Some Aussie states have a list of Learner Approved Motorcycles. This list includes things like SR500, but not TZR250's. A similar tack for cars might be, in theory, a good idea, BUT... can you imagine the size of the list of cars that fit/don't fit the bil?

[Lou Girardin]

Here's a revolutionary idea, Plod checks a biker at 125 km/h on a lightly travelled road, sees his bike is well looked after, finds out that he's been riding for 15 years and obviously has survived and decides that he doesn't warrant a ticket.

[marty]

if only you knew how often that actually happens lou. it's only the occasional one that gets posted and done to death on here. mate of mine (HP on sh1 cambridge/matamata) won't even look at bikes unless they are over 140k

[scumdog]

Here's a revolutionary idea, Plod checks a biker at 125 km/h on a lightly travelled road, sees his bike is well looked after, finds out that he's been riding for 15 years and obviously has survived and decides that he doesn't warrant a ticket.

Do that sort of thing heaps - only the last time I mentioned it I got shit from some KBer who said "hah, bloody inconsistent eh!" or something similar so now I don't bother mentioning it.

Obviously those I stop in those circumstances are either (a) discrete or (b) not members of KB as nothing ever gets mentioned. (and I'm NOT touting for praise and kudos)'

[marty]

Do that sort of thing heaps - only the last time I mentioned it I got shit from some KBer who said "hah, bloody inconsistent eh!" or something similar so now I don't bother mentioning it.

Obviously those I stop in those circumstances are either (a) discrete or (b) not members of KB as nothing ever gets mentioned. (and I'm NOT touting for praise and kudos)'

yeah but lou would have nothing to troll over. he would never try to talk his way out of 111km/h, as he wouldn't get anywhere NEAR the bleat mileage out of getting out of it!