Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 25

Thread: Motorcycles, which never went into production

  1. #1
    Join Date
    1st February 2004 - 11:00
    Bike
    several
    Location
    out west
    Posts
    9,589

    Motorcycles, which never went into production

    1975 Honda 360 Supercharged V2 with 4 valves per pot and water cooled... how cool is that.

    Had the CX500 been really originally for turbo-charge conceived - or did see themselves only forced to Honda to because Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki already offered such machines? Fact is that 1975 a dreigleisige development were running, which resulted in the production of the CX500 and the CX500 turbo. With the prototypes A3S and A3S II concerned it water-cooled two-cylinder engines in 80 degrees of V-type. Both had 358 ccm capacity, the version II possessed turbo-charge. The version I was part of a program for the development of a basis model for the eighties. Six points were given to engineers:
    1. The machine should rob when driving "the breath from one".
    2. It should be comfortable and easily maneuverable.
    3. It should leave the driver mad "to look".
    4. It should be to drive safe and fatigue-free.
    5. In order to realize the points 1 to 4, new technologies should be used.
    6. Their price should be below 1000 dollar.
    Thus was the objective. The concept of a v-Zweizylindermotors was selected, because such treibwerk could be made compactly, quiet and supple; logical-proves should the turbochargers between the two cylinders sit. A characteristic of the engine Design was that cylinders and crank cases formed a unit. The engine without turbo-charge had a drilling/deviation ratio of 72 x 44 mm and by two CV carburetors was fed. The engine was consolidated 10,7:1, carried however only 38.3 HP out with 10000/min. Thus it would have naturally never had a chance in the comparison with others. The weight of the water-cooled machine amounted to according to data of the research and development department drying 151 kg.

    In order to help the A3S to more achievement, the capacity on 500 ccm was raised. Drilling and stroke amounted to now 78 x 52 mm. Water cooling and kardanantrieb were maintained, yet the CX500 represented a backward step: some the progressive specialities of the 360er were missing the 500er. In the prototype stage Honda had experimented with a one-sided hinterradfederung, as well as with a one-sided front rocker, a rear disc brake on the inside and a completely new vordergabel. The wheels of the CX360 and other prototypes of that time were never manufactured in series. Obviously consisted they of two pressed parts, which were welded together or riveted, with their processing however technical problems emerged. The wheels, with which the machines were finally sold, were called "Comstar" and had press steel spokes and extruded rims from aluminum. Harm, because the three-wheels with spokes of the prototypes worked very functionally, and looked also much better than the later with five spokes. The turbo-loaded CX360 proved in as much as disappointment as she brought only 5 HP more achievement, although she nevertheless carried 43 HP out with only 8500/min; the "normal" engine wound up however much: 10000Touren. One reduced compression ratio to 8,7:1, but weighed the machine 10 kg too much. The loading worked over a screw compressor, whose drive took place from the crankshaft, the fuel/air mixture supplied a CV carburetor. The knowledge gained with this compressor disbursed itself then with the development of the CX500 with turbo-charge.
    Developed from the air-cooled 350er finally the five-hundreds with water cooling, in which urge of the buyers after maintenance-free operation one had essentially carried out, as one had tried it for the first time with the A23-Prototypen. There was a Kardan version and a one with kettenantrieb. For the engine development of the A23 one availed oneself the chassis of the CB200, whereby one could develop and directly on the road test more easily and more cheaply a complete machine.

    Pic #1&2: The A23 350cc with automatic transmission had the chassis of the CB200


    Pic #3: The 1975 AS3 2, note the supercharger between the V at the base of the barrels

    Ps: so what other bikes like this were built but never produced??
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	A23 motor.jpg 
Views:	40 
Size:	46.1 KB 
ID:	19914   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	A23 350.jpg 
Views:	30 
Size:	36.1 KB 
ID:	19915   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	75 360TC.jpg 
Views:	56 
Size:	43.8 KB 
ID:	19916  
    cheers DD
    (Definately Dodgy)



  2. #2
    Join Date
    4th November 2003 - 13:00
    Bike
    BSA A10
    Location
    Rangiora
    Posts
    12,841
    I think it needs a fairing,don't suppose you have one you could lend them
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Even BP would shy away from cleaning up a sidecar oil spill.
    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Zevon
    Send Lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan

  3. #3
    Join Date
    26th February 2005 - 15:10
    Bike
    Ubrfarter V Klunkn,ffwabbit,Petal,phoebe
    Location
    In the cave of Adullam
    Posts
    13,624
    The one I've alwys regretted was the 1000cc Meriden Triumph 4 cylinder. It got so close - one specimen still exists.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

  4. #4
    Join Date
    4th November 2003 - 13:00
    Bike
    BSA A10
    Location
    Rangiora
    Posts
    12,841
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    The one I've alwys regretted was the 1000cc Meriden Triumph 4 cylinder. It got so close - one specimen still exists.
    The Quadrant http://www.ozebook.com/sorgner/sorgner26.htm

    It's meant to be road registered and occasionally ridden
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Even BP would shy away from cleaning up a sidecar oil spill.
    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Zevon
    Send Lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan

  5. #5
    Join Date
    3rd October 2004 - 15:45
    Bike
    Africa Twin DCT.
    Location
    Australia 4507
    Posts
    1,450
    Don't forget the 300hp plus Super Bike.

    http://www.priceperf.com/Dynoroom/dyno.wmv

  6. #6
    Join Date
    24th June 2004 - 17:27
    Bike
    So old you won't care
    Location
    Kapiti
    Posts
    7,880
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    The one I've alwys regretted was the 1000cc Meriden Triumph 4 cylinder. It got so close - one specimen still exists.
    Not as much as the rest of us would have regretted it had it happened!

    Hand built (by experts) prototypes is one thing but.... I honestly doubt they could have made the thing work properly from both a design perspective and a manufacturing angle... Sorry - They had their chance in the 50's .....

  7. #7
    Join Date
    1st February 2004 - 11:00
    Bike
    several
    Location
    out west
    Posts
    9,589
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    The one I've alwys regretted was the 1000cc Meriden Triumph 4 cylinder. It got so close - one specimen still exists.
    So what is it? a triple with a extra pod stiched on???
    Quote Originally Posted by TLDV8
    Don't forget the 300hp plus Super Bike.
    So WTF is it? looks like a 4cl 2 stroker.... giz some info
    cheers DD
    (Definately Dodgy)



  8. #8
    Join Date
    26th February 2005 - 15:10
    Bike
    Ubrfarter V Klunkn,ffwabbit,Petal,phoebe
    Location
    In the cave of Adullam
    Posts
    13,624
    Yeah, AFAIK basically a Trident with an extra pot.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

  9. #9
    Join Date
    6th November 2004 - 14:34
    Bike
    SUZUKI TR50 STREET MAGIC
    Posts
    2,724
    I BUILT A PROTOTYPE BIKE BUT NO COMPANY WaNTED TO PRODUCE IT . IT WAS A SUZUKI 50CC 3 SPEED AUTOMATIC MOTOR IN A CR125 FRAME .
    IM SUPRISED HONDA DIDNT STEAL MY BLUE PRINTS

  10. #10
    Join Date
    17th July 2005 - 22:28
    Bike
    Dougcati, Geoff and Suzi
    Location
    Banjo town
    Posts
    10,162
    i wanna get two cbr250rr and stick em together my old man wants to do that to his fj1200... mmmmmmmmmmmmm v8 bikes....
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




    Alloy, stainless and Ti polishing.
    Bling your bike out!
    PM me

  11. #11
    Join Date
    4th November 2003 - 13:00
    Bike
    BSA A10
    Location
    Rangiora
    Posts
    12,841
    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover
    i wanna get two cbr250rr and stick em together my old man wants to do that to his fj1200... mmmmmmmmmmmmm v8 bikes....
    Guy in Chch is doing a V8 using two FZR250 motors with a crankcase he has had cast
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Even BP would shy away from cleaning up a sidecar oil spill.
    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Zevon
    Send Lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan

  12. #12
    Join Date
    17th July 2005 - 22:28
    Bike
    Dougcati, Geoff and Suzi
    Location
    Banjo town
    Posts
    10,162
    thats awsum i want...
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




    Alloy, stainless and Ti polishing.
    Bling your bike out!
    PM me

  13. #13
    Join Date
    1st February 2004 - 11:00
    Bike
    several
    Location
    out west
    Posts
    9,589
    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover
    i wanna get two cbr250rr and stick em together
    You cant even handle a V twin
    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover
    thats awsum i want...
    You couldnt handle it:spudguita
    cheers DD
    (Definately Dodgy)



  14. #14
    Join Date
    7th November 2004 - 11:00
    Bike
    Aquired by locals
    Location
    Groote Eylandt
    Posts
    6,606
    D, imagine what parts you will bring out at the next BBQ
    To every man upon this earth
    Death cometh sooner or late
    And how can a man die better
    Than facing fearful odds
    For the ashes of his fathers
    And the temples of his Gods

  15. #15
    Join Date
    20th July 2005 - 09:37
    Bike
    Buell XB12R
    Location
    way out west
    Posts
    2,961
    9 to go Sniper..... I is watching
    "Do not meddle in the affairs of Buells, for they are subtle and quick to wheelie!"
    --J RR1000 Tolkien





    yank tank at Glenorchy 2006 rally

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •