It's official. NZ Police are retarded

**Swoop** · 19th November 2005, 15:16

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

when was it set? back in the dark ages pretty much with rugged goat tracks as roads. No one could convince me that roads such as the new expressway in the waikato are deadly beyond 100kmh or that they really need two or three cops patrolling that deadly stretch of wide, seperated lanes

Another person that has noticed that when you have a dangerous twisty road, then it gest "improved", widened and straightened - the morons LOWER the speed limit on that road.....

**Ixion** · 19th November 2005, 15:25

That may not be as silly as it sounds. A very bad, broken up twisty road may actually be quite safe. It is so obviously bad that everyone takes care, and the corners and bad surface mean that very few people actually do the allowed speed limit on it.

Improve it, and people think its safer and go fast - too fast. Also, when "improved" more people will travel on it. And, whereas before only competant drivers would venture onto such a frightening road, once improved every bunny around will hurtle off down it. One reason why I object to gravel roads being sealed. It attracts bunnies.

**N4CR** · 19th November 2005, 15:30

Originally Posted by Ixion

That may not be as silly as it sounds. A very bad, broken up twisty road may actually be quite safe. It is so obviously bad that everyone takes care, and the corners and bad surface mean that very few people actually do the allowed speed limit on it.

Whoa... good point man. Never thaught of that - that problem is what keeps many people going like hell on some roads, the dodgy surface means you will probably kill yourself if your speed ain't in check.

**kro** · 19th November 2005, 15:58

He's 100% correct too Tristank, have spoken to an officer in a small town i used to pass through for years, and asked him how many people had been killed on this small piece of elevated road, with lots of bad corners, and he said for the 15 years he had been in the town it is near, that noone had been killed on it, because of exactly the reason Ixion said.

**SPman** · 19th November 2005, 16:20

So - there's the answer!
Build more tight twisty roads!

**curious george** · 20th November 2005, 13:44

Originally Posted by WINJA

IVE PUT MY JOB ON THE LINE A FEW TIMES NOW TO DO THE RIGHT THING , I DONT ACCEPT IT AS AN EXCUSE, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PIGS

But that's the exception, rather than the rule.
There is always discretion, but when your job for the day is to get 100 speeders, and you return with 10, your boss wont commend you on a job well done because you 'did the right thing'.
The speeding campaign is a political one, police budgets and numbers depend on it.
Do you really think that most of todays ploice joined up to write traffic tickets?
No way, it's do drive really really fast with flashing lights and sirens, and being able to bash some bastard burgular who has just raped your dog.
That's policing, ticket writing is for the meter maids.
You can thank the National Govt for merging the two....

**Sniper** · 20th November 2005, 14:05

Oh yay, so maybe I won't be able to fight the next ticket for a tinted visor. Shit, why is it mandatory to have people with an IQ of less than 50 in goverment doing what they "think" we want.

**vtec** · 20th November 2005, 17:32

Originally Posted by curious george

But that's the exception, rather than the rule.
There is always discretion, but when your job for the day is to get 100 speeders, and you return with 10, your boss wont commend you on a job well done because you 'did the right thing'.
The speeding campaign is a political one, police budgets and numbers depend on it.
Do you really think that most of todays ploice joined up to write traffic tickets?
No way, it's do drive really really fast with flashing lights and sirens, and being able to bash some bastard burgular who has just raped your dog.
That's policing, ticket writing is for the meter maids.
You can thank the National Govt for merging the two....

You're missing Winja's point george. Winja is pissed at the cops who say "just doin' ma job". Cause they are given a position of power over the public, and ticketing people in areas that have unreasonably and unjustified speed limits just cause its easy quota, is in my opinion bullshit. If I were in a position with as much powers as police have, I'd make it my duty to enforce laws only in situations where real risk occurs. As it currently stands, the cops are being given more and more powers (ie. boy racer act) to nail people for doing anything. And because they've got such high quota's they are nailing people for anything and everything. Things like "unnecessary acceleration", which i reiterate is bullshit. There was no actual research done to prove that acceleration is dangerous, plus it's entirely subjective. They can now confiscate your vehicle for just accelerating quickly up to the speed limit. And as things stand some of the cops are using these laws to their advantage. This is just an extreme example. There are plenty of way less damaging examples I could go into, but everybody know's what they are anyway.

My point is that I agree with Winja's stance on hating police for unecessarily flaunting their powers for quota's. And using the excuse "just doing my job" doesn't solve anything. Given a position of power, the one who uses the power's should be the one who questions them the most, cause they are the ones doing the deeds.
Drug dealers could say the same thing. Their bosses told them they had to sell 1 kg of smack per week, and don't blame them, they are just doing their jobs. It's their bosses fault for giving them the quota.

**curious george** · 20th November 2005, 19:04

Originally Posted by vtec

Cause they are given a position of power over the public, and ticketing people in areas that have unreasonably and unjustified speed limits just cause its easy quota, is in my opinion bullshit.

I think I understand Winja, but perhaps I'm not making my point very clear.
Dedicating so much police power to speeding = huge amount of bullshit. Agreed?
I would rather they solve the huge number of unallocated cases floating around they havent even started yet!

Originally Posted by vtec

Given a position of power, the one who uses the power's should be the one who questions them the most, cause they are the ones doing the deeds.

But in this case, the officers have fairly limited power, as speeding has been made a priority, and because of that, they have to catch speeders.
That's what the job entails, if you don't like it, leave the force, which I'm sure some have.
The people with the power are the ones behind the desks and in parliment.
The people driving (no pun intended) this are a not on the roadside doing the deed.
I'll try an example:
If a nurse was to give a charted drug that was incorrect, that order should (and must be) questioned.
If there was a mistake, it will be corrected before meds given, and correct ammount re-charted. Nursing continues.
If nurse decides that morphine was a bit excessive, and uses lavender oil instead, that nurse probably wont have a job much longer.
There is a process to follow here, and any change must come from the top down.
The top people often make mistakes, that's what public inquiries are for, but for the front line people to make a unilateral decision to stop giving morphine or speeding tickets just isnt right either.

**Da Bird** · 21st November 2005, 00:07

Originally Posted by vtec

They can now confiscate your vehicle for just accelerating quickly up to the speed limit.

Sorry, you are wrong on that one... you must accelerate to a speed in excess of the posted speed limit to be charged and have your vehicle impounded.

BC.

**avgas** · 21st November 2005, 02:23

Originally Posted by SPman

So - there's the answer!
Build more tight twisty roads!

Pity those assholes at Transit Planning and management are trying to make motorways of the whole place. Been throught Karangahape gourge of late?

**Kwaka-Kid** · 21st November 2005, 05:29

Originally Posted by WINJA

IVE PUT MY JOB ON THE LINE A FEW TIMES NOW TO DO THE RIGHT THING

But you are a pimp WINJA, you the man and them hoes just listen to you

u tell 'em!

**Lou Girardin** · 21st November 2005, 07:29

Ixion is correct to a point. When that second rate road starts carrying traffic numbers beyond it's capacity the danger increases with the likelyhood of vehicles hitting each other.
I have no problem with Transit upgrading the main highways, there'll always be twisty's for us to enjoy.

**heavenly.talker** · 21st November 2005, 07:35

Originally Posted by TLDV8

..people from larger cities who only know how to drive in straight lines in the dry up and down motorways,who then venture out of the city on weekends etc and then do not have the system to hold their hand.

Excuse me...are you sure that you live in New Zealand sir?
There is not one place that could be called consistently dry!