Nick Ientash The Pace

**jonbuoy** · 14th December 2005, 13:15

Hi,

Was wondering if any group rides out there use Nick Ientash's "The Pace" theory. Have never enjoyed group riding as it always seems to turn into a race, with bad decisions made for the wrong reasons. I read about it in his excellent book - Sports Riding Techniques. Was wondering if any groups up Auckland way use this for their rides out? And if so could I join em?

Below is a link to an explanation of The Pace. I think it basically means cutting the straight line speeds down and making the perfect turn in the corners for a bit of fun.

http://www.geocities.com/nakedboysmc...techniques.htm

Cheers Jono

**jonbuoy** · 14th December 2005, 13:22

He He it shoulda been Nick Ienatsch.

**pritch** · 14th December 2005, 13:25

I know it doesn't answer your question but I would recommend the book to anyone interested in sprot bike riding (or even sproty riding?).

**WRT** · 14th December 2005, 14:28

You must have the maturity to limit your straightaway speeds

That bit alone rules out a lot of riders. In all seriousness though, I'm down for that. I'm now five years without a ticket (LOL that sounds like an intro to an AA meeting . . . ) and I kind of like it that way. I have to admit to giving the throttle a good twist every now and again (at the right time and place), but for the most part when I'm out on a ride I keep my speeds down the straights as legal as possible. While the acceleration is a buzz, the main reason I'm into bikes are the corners.

Give us a yell next time you head out to practice this "Pace" business, I'm keen . . .

**Motu** · 14th December 2005, 15:17

Apart from the not crossing the centreline bit,that sounds like my riding style all the time.I seldom go over 120kph,and I try to keep my pace up - I love SH22 with all it dips and bumps,roadworks and wildlife,my adventure bikes just soak it all up...pace,it's all about pace - I love it..

I used to ride with the Triumph Owners Club,and they would all pass me and leave me for dead,in the corners I would just run them down and go through the pack,then they'd sort me out on the fast bits again.I think this is one of the reasons I hate group rides,I have my own pace and hate deviating from it.

I think it comes from riding some pretty gutless bikes in the past,I had to keep my momenteum up at all costs,don't back off unless you really have to and using the brakes was a sin...I had no straightline speed,so had to keep it up in the corners.

**nudemetalz** · 14th December 2005, 16:36

Try racing RS-125's....that sorts out cornering speed technique, 'cause if you ain't got it then you're left behind !!

**oldrider** · 14th December 2005, 17:02

I have only ever been able to afford one bike at a time, more so now than ever. The above matches the riding style I try for.
One bike one life one passenger but I still get tempted to do something silly every now and then. Cheers John.

**justsomeguy** · 14th December 2005, 17:13

Originally Posted by Motu

I think it comes from riding some pretty gutless bikes in the past,I had to keep my momenteum up at all costs,don't back off unless you really have to and using the brakes was a sin...I had no straightline speed,so had to keep it up in the corners.

I know I'll probably get clobbered for this - But I'm tempted to disconnect my front brakes and go for a ride one day.

When I crashed I had no rear brakes as I had no rear foot bracket - and that made me ride soo much smoother in the weeks after.....

Is there a way to quickly disengage the front brakes without having to go through the whole bleeding process??

**Will** · 14th December 2005, 18:14

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

I know I'll probably get clobbered for this - But I'm tempted to disconnect my front brakes and go for a ride one day.

When I crashed I had no rear brakes as I had no rear foot bracket - and that made me ride soo much smoother in the weeks after.....

Is there a way to quickly disengage the front brakes without having to go through the whole bleeding process??

Disengage your brain... did you say?

You ride a sprotbike and you said that you had no rear brake and how it made you ride smoother.
That's what sprotbikes are like.
You do not use a rear brake like you might on a cruiser.
But you certainly use the front brake.

**justsomeguy** · 14th December 2005, 18:24

Originally Posted by Will

Disengage your brain... did you say?

You ride a sprotbike and you said that you had no rear brake and how it made you ride smoother.
That's what sprotbikes are like.
You do not use a rear brake like you might on a cruiser.
But you certainly use the front brake.

I know that - I use the rear brake a lot while downshifting and blipping the throttle......... and sometimes use the rear brake only while riding in the city - I'm talking about minor drops in speed here.

It would be cool to disengage the front brake and do some slow riding drills in a parking lot.

I didn't mean disengage the front and go for a hoon down The Dwive

**kro** · 14th December 2005, 20:31

I used to ride with Club 42, Peter Wilmott who used to own Greenlane Suzuki started it, and it was magic, because the condition of entry was that no bastard was allowed to do crazy shit, so it was invite only, and we seldom busted the 120 mark, and mostly cruised the speed limit, and enjoyed the ride, rather than having it all flash by in an instant of blurry scenery and adrenaline.

**justsomeguy** · 14th December 2005, 21:31

Originally Posted by kronos

I used to ride with Club 42, Peter Wilmott who used to own Greenlane Suzuki started it, and it was magic, because the condition of entry was that no bastard was allowed to do crazy shit, so it was invite only, and we seldom busted the 120 mark, and mostly cruised the speed limit, and enjoyed the ride, rather than having it all flash by in an instant of blurry scenery and adrenaline.

So it was only the two of you then ??

**Ixion** · 14th December 2005, 21:39

Originally Posted by Motu

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I think it comes from riding some pretty gutless bikes in the past,I had to keep my momenteum up at all costs,don't back off unless you really have to and using the brakes was a sin...I had no straightline speed,so had to keep it up in the corners.

Hmmph , well if we're talking Beeza Bantams, or just about any pre 60's Briddish iron, there was nothing sinful about using the brakes. Pointless, ineffectual waste of time, to be sure, but sinful implies that they actually DID something. I never got into the habit of using them, it achieved so little. And I still very rarely use brakes on a four stroke.

**Mr Skid** · 15th December 2005, 22:16

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

I'm tempted to disconnect my front brakes and go for a ride one day.

That's a great idea. I think you should do it. I'm sure you will learn heaps.

**kerryg** · 16th December 2005, 10:41

I don't get it. The Pace is about what? Not riding too fast (OK)? Not braking too late when entering a corner (OK?).

Reminds me of something I heard the other day. Did you know that a traffic engineer called Barnes "invented" the pedestrian crossing where pedestrians all cross simultaneously, including diagonally, (like the intersection at the corner of Queen and Victoria Sts in Auckland for the Dorklanders among us). His "invention" was nick-named the "Barnes dance". I heard that and I thought ...WTF? The idea of everybody crossing from all directions at once was INVENTED by someone?? OK then. I invented falling over. I mean, did the guy go to university and all, and all he came up with was that?

Can the central principle(s) of the Pace be summarised for me in no more than few sentences please??...I guess I'm missing something here.