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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    Nothing like taking a bit of personal responsibilty eh?:slap:
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    Anyone noticed that the road toll is the lowest in years?
    There was John Kelly taking credit for it due to their targeting of speeders. He convieniently forgot the mention that two months of record fuel prices curtailed quite a lot of recreational driving, and he also avoided mentioning the 20+ dead at the time of the interview.
    And, realistically speaking, since 1999 the road toll has varied between 460 and 404. Next year chance could have it back to 450.
    Another interesting comment was comparing our population and car ownership to Australian states. we have a higher level of ownership as states with similar populations and we have nearly as many cars as NSW wihich has a population of 6,500,000. That's why our road toll is higher.
    Speed doesn't kill people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin
    Anyone noticed that the road toll is the lowest in years?
    There was John Kelly taking credit for it due to their targeting of speeders.
    He's just getting all excited because his wife is putting out after his performance bonus paid for her new car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dafe
    Quote Originally Posted by Yokai
    [rant mode on]
    Obviously you didn't see this... never mind.

    I'll snip the extraneous stuff just to keep things short.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dafe
    Quote Originally Posted by Yokai
    I'm middle income.
    Are you a lower to middle class income earner?
    Yup - I'm middle income.... based on the median wages from this site:
    http://www2.stats.govt.nz/domino/ext...obyArea/007-ta

    Unless you mean "middle class" which I am too - there is a difference between
    "middle income class" (from your original post:
    "In the middle to low income classes, we are now seeing New Zealanders working harder & longer to maintain previous lifestyles.") and "middle class income earner".

    a middle income class is one that is roughly the median for the area.
    a middle class income is one that allows the trappings of "middle class" (for a definition see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_class)

    Different things. I'm middle income and middle class too! Cool, huh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dafe
    Or can't you read? (Because I'm sure most Self-Bragging ex-silicon breast implanted workers aren't!)
    Nice use of judgment... I'll take this as hyperbole and a lack of understanding of the difference between silicon and silicone. As for Self-Bragging hmmm. Ok - I do like to think that I'm good at what I do. I try hard and work hard for it... and when reviewed by my peers I come out pretty good. *shrug* if that's Self-Bragging (sic) then yup that's me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dafe
    Just so you know, I've had four green rep posts for my reply and only your negative remark!
    Well, excuse me for ranting - that's why I put a set of rant mode tags around the post. I've frankly had it with people saying that we are hard done by with our increase in hours or hard work or whatever here... We have a health system that works (sort of) which we don't have to pay extra for, an education system that turns out great sportspeople and business people and world leaders. We have longer holidays than other countries (2weeks in the US+ 5 days of sick ONLY). We have better food. We have it good: a lot of opportunity and nice lifestyles for NOT so much of the hard work.

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    Also, Dick wad......
    That's just said in the heat of the moment... I'm sure.

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    Another long thread on the EvilsOfSpeeding......
    Why is it that NO-ONE can see that it is not speeding that kills - IT IS THE SUDDEN STOP FFS.
    Astronauts travel at (let's say) 50,000 kph and DON'T DIE.
    And what is speeding anyway??? I'd rather be a passenger with Greg Murphy (say) at 300kph than with Granny WeatherWax at 50kph.
    Was it speeding that killed me when I exceeded 100kph to pass MrDickhead in his turbo-charged roadrocket travelling at 91.5kph for fear of being pinged?? Or was it frustration??
    The ounce of commonsense we were all born with seems to have atrophied due to neglect.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Nope. I'd take Granny Weatherwax anyday. What sort of skills does Mr Murphey have on broomsticks anyway.And, besides Granny Weatherwax has FRIENDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    Nope. I'd take Granny Weatherwax anyday. What sort of skills does Mr Murphey have on broomsticks anyway.And, besides Granny Weatherwax has FRIENDS.
    You are t-h-i-s close to being sent to the furtherest Clacks tower in Klatchia, my friend. Transported by Sergeant Colon
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Arrow Hey.

    Was riding with another bike back into town and passed a HP car going the other way. He knew we was going too fast and flashed his headlights at us. I slowed down but the other bike went faster. Looked in my mirror and the HP was continuing gong the other way I guess I am a nana rider that will stop when directed to do so. Also nice to know that Mr HP has a good day from time to time.
    Those who insist on perfect safety, don't have the balls to live in the real world.

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    Arrow Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS
    The ounce of commonsense we were all born with seems to have atrophied due to neglect.
    Sad, but never the less true. Sorry I did not catch up with you when you was down this way. Hope you frequent these parts again and I'm able to catch up.
    Those who insist on perfect safety, don't have the balls to live in the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inlinefour
    Sad, but never the less true. Sorry I did not catch up with you when you was down this way. Hope you frequent these parts again and I'm able to catch up.
    Yea - might be on the Beast next time. Tend to be flying visits for family things tho.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS
    Another long thread on the EvilsOfSpeeding......
    Why is it that NO-ONE can see that it is not speeding that kills - IT IS THE SUDDEN STOP FFS.
    Astronauts travel at (let's say) 50,000 kph and DON'T DIE.
    And what is speeding anyway??? I'd rather be a passenger with Greg Murphy (say) at 300kph than with Granny WeatherWax at 50kph.
    Was it speeding that killed me when I exceeded 100kph to pass MrDickhead in his turbo-charged roadrocket travelling at 91.5kph for fear of being pinged?? Or was it frustration??
    The ounce of commonsense we were all born with seems to have atrophied due to neglect.

    That's a lot of commonsense - specially the last bit. The simple fact is that there are too many irresponsible idiots on the road, including the one I saw go through a give way sign last night, way too fast, crossed the road then hit a bridge buttress. They were lucky to survive I suspect, but the main point is that in that case speed (and careless driving) could have killed, or was it the bridge that would have killed them? You know, they jump out at you! I also followed a young woman this morning(in a black Familia...of course) who left the lights at the same time as me, and quickly sped up to over 80km in a 50k zone. I sped up to 65 to just 'check' her speed and she was pulling strongly away. The stupid tart just didn't seem to have any idea of what a fool she was being. Instant loss of licence......but who cares, they all think they can drive like Mike Shoowatsisname, and what happens if a kid runs out or a biker legally pulls out of a side road, thinking the car is going to take much longer to reach that point. So, see, the results of speeding DO kill. I get really slacked off with wallies who claim that they can ride/drive safely at high speed because they are well trained, or because they have a high quality machine. OK, so are they all track trained drivers or riders? Denny Hulme, World Champion grand prix driver was often quoted on the subject. He always stated that high speed driving on a public road was sheer stupidity, because there are so many other wallies on the road. He talked about driving skill...to him it meant he could do higher average speeds, e.g quicker through corners, quite safely, but not by exceeding the speedlimit. Unfortunately there are only a handful of drivers and riders who truly are sufficiently trained...and there's another story!
    It's a hard road boy.......so try not to land on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasman
    That's a lot of commonsense - specially the last bit. The simple fact is that there are too many irresponsible idiots on the road, including the one I saw go through a give way sign last night, way too fast, crossed the road then hit a bridge buttress. They were lucky to survive I suspect, but the main point is that in that case speed (and careless driving) could have killed, or was it the bridge that would have killed them? You know, they jump out at you! I also followed a young woman this morning(in a black Familia...of course) who left the lights at the same time as me, and quickly sped up to over 80km in a 50k zone. I sped up to 65 to just 'check' her speed and she was pulling strongly away. The stupid tart just didn't seem to have any idea of what a fool she was being. Instant loss of licence......but who cares, they all think they can drive like Mike Shoowatsisname, and what happens if a kid runs out or a biker legally pulls out of a side road, thinking the car is going to take much longer to reach that point. So, see, the results of speeding DO kill. I get really slacked off with wallies who claim that they can ride/drive safely at high speed because they are well trained, or because they have a high quality machine. OK, so are they all track trained drivers or riders? Denny Hulme, World Champion grand prix driver was often quoted on the subject. He always stated that high speed driving on a public road was sheer stupidity, because there are so many other wallies on the road. He talked about driving skill...to him it meant he could do higher average speeds, e.g quicker through corners, quite safely, but not by exceeding the speedlimit. Unfortunately there are only a handful of drivers and riders who truly are sufficiently trained...and there's another story!
    I'm not actually saying it's OK to 'speed'. It is the blind 'acceptance' of the speed message that annoys me. The speed one travels at should be appropriate for the conditions. And I would hazard a guess that for an 'accident' to occur, there would have to be more than one factor involved. Otherwise, if anyone exceeded 50kph in town or 100kph on the open road they would crash & die everytime. Since this is so obviously not the case, I would argue that the speed kills message is a half-truth and fundamentally flawed.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inlinefour
    Was riding with another bike back into town and passed a HP car going the other way. He knew we was going too fast and flashed his headlights at us. I slowed down but the other bike went faster. Looked in my mirror and the HP was continuing gong the other way I guess I am a nana rider that will stop when directed to do so. Also nice to know that Mr HP has a good day from time to time.
    I had the same experience a few weeks ago while on a country ride. HP man just waggled his finger at me and kept going. Obviously had bigger fish to fry, or perhaps he knew what I was riding and that I wasn't likely to be hitting the double ton on it anytime soon!
    It's a hard road boy.......so try not to land on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS
    I'm not actually saying it's OK to 'speed'. It is the blind 'acceptance' of the speed message that annoys me. The speed one travels at should be appropriate for the conditions. And I would hazard a guess that for an 'accident' to occur, there would have to be more than one factor involved. Otherwise, if anyone exceeded 50kph in town or 100kph on the open road they would crash & die everytime. Since this is so obviously not the case, I would argue that the speed kills message is a half-truth and fundamentally flawed.
    Too true and as Ive said before its this "cop out" 1/2 way policing (at a great profit to someone) that frustrates most motorists where there is a bigger picture or more factors to accidents than just speed.
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    It's strange but young women seem to be figuring more in the stats, especially boy-racer type offences and accidents. Is this a consequence of the "girls can do anything" message?
    Speed doesn't kill people.
    Stupidity kills people.

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