5km/hr speed tolerance

[TLDV8]

I would have though any time driving in the city or in built up area's,anything over 55 kmh is dodgy not from a legal but a moral point,no maths involved...The chance of being able to do the posted speed limit around a school is fairly remote,obviously when the school is being let out...... passing a bus with kids around at anything but dead slow in the city is common sense,no maths again....Some things do not have to be debated... Logic should prevail.:slap:.. Try driving at the speed limit in any town centre in South Auckland,anything over 40 kmh is out of the question,just because you can doesn't mean you should...Where did all these goofy percentages come from???... Do the speed limit or close to it in built up area's and have a nice day?.... risk it a bit out in the wop's,take your chances?....... I should have started spouting some percentages like Einstein last time i got nicked,if i had i probably would have got the ticket and a bitch slap for my trouble.

[Marmoot]

Okay I think wha*snip*

As I said before I understand the need for this gray area in the law, and that it can't be as black and white as I have belaboured, but tell why you don't just make it a 10% infringement increase for ever limit like ever other sensible country in the world and remove the ambiguity.

I'm playing devils advocate here, but at least that makes a certain degree of logic, and would remove the need for special speed restriction weeks. I'm pretty sure people coul handle the maths.

because in here we operate with 10 KPH tolerance, not 10 % tolerance.
That is not ambiguous. It is much easier to read than having to spot the 10% on that puny speedometers. And it gives us more leeway above the speed limit in the events of speedo-inattentiveness

And you'd better pray damn well it does not get cut to 10% coz I is sure there has been talks around.

Be careful on what you wish for - WishMaster 3

[N4CR]

Dawnrazor - the reason for that is simple. When it comes to stopping the vehicle, a doubling in speed is 4x the energy to dissipate through your brakes/wheels. At a higher speed eg 150kmh, you have 4x the energy to stop/dissipate than compared to travelling at 75kmh. Hence why the 10kmh 'let it slip most of the time' philosophy is in place.

30 in a 20 isn't much of a difference or load on braking systems/crash systems, mabey one to half a metre or so stopping distance extra. A pedestrian might end up just getting knocked on their arse but not much else.

[JMemonic]

The 10km/hr tolerance still applies elsewhere but if you are driving less than 10km/hr over the limit in circumstances that would warrant a ticket, there is nothing to stop a cop issuing one.

BC.

Ok this is confusing I was of the understanding that there was a 10 percent tolerence on either side (which lets face it we take to mean the higher side) to allow for the fact analog meters are not that accurate and even digital can be affected by minor changes in tyre profile (this includes wear), anyhow the short of this is 55 in a 50 zone is ok but 56 is an offence likewise 110 in a 100 zone is ok but 111 is an offence, of course this is dependent on conditions etc.

BC I defer to your knowledge to correct or confirm this thought.

[Marmoot]

10 kph tolerance. It's in the road code and in LTSA policies.

10% tolerance is in UK, and US. Which is stupid....since at 30kmh limit you only have 3kph leeway. Even a thick speedometer needle can get you a ticket.

[dawnrazor]

because in here we operate with 10 KPH tolerance, not 10 % tolerance.
That is not ambiguous. It is much easier to read than having to spot the 10% on that puny speedometers. And it gives us more leeway above the speed limit in the events of speedo-inattentiveness

And you'd better pray damn well it does not get cut to 10% coz I is sure there has been talks around.

Be careful on what you wish for - WishMaster 3

if you read an earlier post here you'll see I am not a speed nazi, I am simply debating a point, to which I have not recieved a satifactory answer yet.

[dawnrazor]

[QUOTE=tristank
30 in a 20 isn't much of a difference or load on braking systems/crash systems, mabey one to half a metre or so stopping distance extra. A pedestrian might end up just getting knocked on their arse but not much else.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry thats cold comfort, "there you go me old mum go off an play in the street you'll only get knocked on your arse!"

I managed to write a bike off at less then 20mph, do 5000 pounds worth of damage to a car and flinging myself 20 feet through the air almost braking my back, bit more serious then a "knock on the arse"

[dawnrazor]

I would have though any time driving in the city or in built up area's,anything over 55 kmh is dodgy not from a legal but a moral point,no maths involved...The chance of being able to do the posted speed limit around a school is fairly remote,obviously when the school is being let out...... passing a bus with kids around at anything but dead slow in the city is common sense,no maths again....Some things do not have to be debated... Logic should prevail.:slap:.. Try driving at the speed limit in any town centre in South Auckland,anything over 40 kmh is out of the question,just because you can doesn't mean you should...Where did all these goofy percentages come from???... Do the speed limit or close to it in built up area's and have a nice day?.... risk it a bit out in the wop's,take your chances?....... I should have started spouting some percentages like Einstein last time i got nicked,if i had i probably would have got the ticket and a bitch slap for my trouble.

Agree with you 100%

[Lou Girardin]

So, why can you fail a driving test for exceeding the limit by 5 km/h, but not get a ticket?
LTNZ logic?
Or, why is 141 km/h on a wide deserted motorway as dangerous as 91 km/h on a suburban street?
Wouldn't a blanket "twice the speed limit" have sufficed?
For the answer to these questions and more, write to your local MP.

[FROSTY:Me]

Personally This is one case where I say a ZERO tolerance for speeding is acceptable-50km/h or less during school hours -8.30-4.00pm
Specificly within 150m of school crossings and the actual school gates

[Lou Girardin]

Personally This is one case where I say a ZERO tolerance for speeding is acceptable-50km/h or less during school hours -8.30-4.00pm
Specificly within 150m of school crossings and the actual school gates

Fine. How accurate is your speedo?

[dawnrazor]

Fine. How accurate is your speedo?

Ah speed time momentum, its all relative isn't it

just quote quantum theory if you get pulled over and blind them with science

[Marmoot]

if you read an earlier post here you'll see I am not a speed nazi, I am simply debating a point, to which I have not recieved a satifactory answer yet.

debating the cause of a legistlation in a forum is like debating on why the chicken cross the road: You may not agree with it but you cannot prevent it from happenning.

[riffer]

Fine. How accurate is your speedo?

Solve the problem. Do 40.

Open road speed is for the open road.

Around schools it should be 30.

Ride at a ridiculous speed around my kids school and I'll be the first to knock you on your arse.

This is turning into a ridiculous discussion.

[Ixion]

Personally This is one case where I say a ZERO tolerance for speeding is acceptable-50km/h or less during school hours -8.30-4.00pm
Specificly within 150m of school crossings and the actual school gates

So, riding along a main road , in an area I don't know well. Go past a side road. Unbeknownst to me, 120 m down that side road, round a bend , are the gates of a school. How do I know it's there ? When Mr Plod stops me and tickets me for riding at 52kph "within 150m of the gates of a school". If you're going to do that you need to establish school zones. Signed in some way , on all surrounding roads. And I'd bet you those school zones end up being pretty much all of the 50 kph areas.

What about back gates? When I was at school only a very small percentage of kids went in the big "official" front gates.

And does your 8:30 - 4pm include school holidays ? Do you include child care centres? Kindergartens ? What about Sunday schools ? This amateur legislation is always more tricky than it seems