Shocking allegations!!

**WINJA** · 14th February 2006, 08:24

FUCK YEAH THATLL LEARN THEM

**Grahameeboy** · 14th February 2006, 08:25

Originally Posted by CaN

Honestly Kittie, the ONLY way some people learn is to feel the pain. And many of those will only learn with severe pain.

You can't apply your rational standards to these people.

The cops/military etc are simply performing a civic duty and educating these people.

They may feel the pain but do they really learn and they will remember to hate rather than respect.

Kittie's sentiments are good....we should still maintain standards but sadly the soldiers are expose to a lot of shit...probably scared a lot of the time and the old emotions kick in.

Sorry this is not what cops etc are suppose to do and sorry again but calling it education is @#$%shit.........education is about influence and leadership and if one or both of these is bad education is bad too.

**Grahameeboy** · 14th February 2006, 08:29

Originally Posted by SpeedMedic

Well gotta agree with you here Scummy (surprise surprise).
Weve all became a bit too fuckin PC and soft for my liking. Its a war over there for fuck sakes, I dont care what anyone else says. They got a good kicking and deserved it. We didnt get to see what provoked it, and we dont have any idea what the history is behind this event. How do we know that group of guys didnt do something horrific the day before?? This is just a media spin on things. Like I said, its a fuckin war...people are gonna get hurt. And kittie, wake up and smell the roses girl, this is not Home and Away your watching.

But war is fought by soldiers and one way or the other the lives of Iraqies is still shit compared to ours and Iraqies showing frustration is not "War'.......kids in Western Society do the same.....Sydney an example....and this is not war so I don't think we can put everything in the same pot.......

**jonbuoy** · 14th February 2006, 08:34

As for the video, I doubt those kids got anything more than a few bruises, I've seen way worse than that dished out at pub closing time in smalltown England. Kids in Bordon (garrison town) had a game where they would go into a certain pub, put one hand on the bar and shout "Paras are poofs" and try to get away...this just looks like the Iraqi equivalent, couple of black eyes, a testosterone rush and male pride satisfied all round.

ha ha - thats pretty brave

**The Stranger:Me** · 14th February 2006, 08:52

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Sorry this is not what cops etc are suppose to do and sorry again but calling it education is @#$%shit.........education is about influence and leadership and if one or both of these is bad education is bad too.

There you go again, applying rational concepts. You need to think outside your square.

Education - the process of educating or being educated.
Personally I think a beating falls into that definition.

Did you never get a beating from the cops?
Hmm, educated me, and I never did it again and I probably got more respect for them.
Taught me not to give lip. Taught me that people are not always treated fairly. Taught me not to trust people just cause they have authority. Taught me that even if you are right some battles are just not worth it.

**JMemonic** · 14th February 2006, 09:00

Have not seen the video so I can comment on the quality of it or the actions that take place, if this has been staged as some suggest it wont be the first time, if it has been blown out of context by the media again it will not be the first time.

I have talked to troops over there, it is not what we see on the news, it is worse but slowly getting better. I hope that their mission is sucessful and isolated incidents like this dont have a repeat backlash as they did during the Vietnam conflict where many nations ended up with servicemen and women who answered their nations call only to return to a disrespectful nation.

Remember a soldiers ultimate goal is peace, respect those who serve for they ensure that you can enjoy the life you know.

**Grahameeboy** · 14th February 2006, 09:20

Originally Posted by CaN

There you go again, applying rational concepts. You need to think outside your square.

Education - the process of educating or being educated.
Personally I think a beating falls into that definition.

Did you never get a beating from the cops?
Hmm, educated me, and I never did it again and I probably got more respect for them.
Taught me not to give lip. Taught me that people are not always treated fairly. Taught me not to trust people just cause they have authority. Taught me that even if you are right some battles are just not worth it.

Fair enough......but have you seem my square!!

No I have not been beaten by the cops but I still learnt the same ethics as you did........

**Grahameeboy** · 14th February 2006, 09:22

Originally Posted by SpeedMedic

There lives might be shit compared to ours alright, but thats not our fault. Iraq is one of the wealthiest countries in the World, asset-wise, hence so much interest in the Country in the first place. Why dont the people get to see that wealth?? They could be educated and have nice buildings and roads etc. They used too at one time, why did that change?
And to the "Youths on the streeet" this is a war to them Grahame, as far as they are concerned.

Fair enough but not most Iraqies fault either I guess..........

**The Stranger:Me** · 14th February 2006, 09:28

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

No I have not been beaten by the cops but I still learnt the same ethics as you did........

Thank you.
Just proves my point.
Different people respond differently to different stimuli.
We both arrived at the same conclusions via different routes.

Some learn, some you can teach, some you got to beat.

**chickenfunkstar** · 14th February 2006, 09:32

Originally Posted by SpeedMedic

There lives might be shit compared to ours alright, but thats not our fault. Iraq is one of the wealthiest countries in the World, asset-wise, hence so much interest in the Country in the first place. Why dont the people get to see that wealth?? They could be educated and have nice buildings and roads etc. They used too at one time, why did that change?
And to the "Youths on the streeet" this is a war to them Grahame, as far as they are concerned.

Increased conflict isn't going to do anything to free up these resources for the Iraqi people. By reacting to minor things like stone throwing, hatred for westerners will only incease. I can't see who wins in situations like this.

**Grahameeboy** · 14th February 2006, 09:33

Originally Posted by CaN

Thank you.
Just proves my point.
Different people respond differently to different stimuli.
We both arrived at the same conclusions via different routes.

Some learn, some you can teach, some you got to beat.

A Pleasure Mr CaN, but proves that you don't need a beating to have good ethics and I still do not believe that a good beating is the best answer......and hey you didn't have to beat me to get me to learn your point......I guess I just believe in having a circle of influence and using leadership..........and if that means starting the beat.......no I didn't say that!!!

**Grahameeboy** · 14th February 2006, 09:35

Originally Posted by chickenfunkstar

Increased conflict isn't going to do anything to free up these resources for the Iraqi people. By reacting to minor things like stone throwing, hatred for westerners will only incease. I can't see who wins in situations like this.

I quite agree..........need to pick battles, not start wars..

**scumdog** · 14th February 2006, 09:38

Originally Posted by chickenfunkstar

Increased conflict isn't going to do anything to free up these resources for the Iraqi people. By reacting to minor things like stone throwing, hatred for westerners will only incease. I can't see who wins in situations like this.

They only hurl stones etc (as said before, have you seen some of their stone chucking slings? not 'minor' by any means) to get a reaction - of course sometimes said reaction is not quite the one they thought they would get........bad luck!!

Have to guess they thought that chucking a few rocks etc is going to make the nasty foriegners go home? Dumb bastards!! but should all the foriegners leave who will they target then???

Pull out and leave 'em to slit each others throats 'til the cows come home, it's normal life for them..

**Grahameeboy** · 14th February 2006, 09:41

Originally Posted by scumdog

They only hurl stones etc (as said before, have you seen some of their stone chucking slings? not 'minor' by any means) to get a reaction - of course sometimes said reaction is not quite the one they thought they would get........bad luck!!

Have to guess they thought that chucking a few rocks etc is going to make the nasty foriegners go home? Dumb bastards!! but should all the foriegners leave who will they target then???

Pull out and leave 'em to slit each others throats 'til the cows come home, it's normal life for them..

Can you compare a bigger caterpault with a tank.......??