I think the 70km/hr and L plate rule should be removed
I think the 70km/hr rule should be removed
I think the L plate fule should be removed
I think the rules are fine as it is, now shut up and put up with it!!!
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the rule i have the most problem with is the time retrictions. I have held a full drivers license for years and have experienced many different driving situations including ones between 10pm and 5am, yet on a R motor bike license i am still not allowed to ride between these hours. Why? anyone have one reason that is even close to making sense in this circumstance?
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Bad Idea to petition it. Just go with the flow, its only 6 months.
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addicted to racing
Thats exactly how I feel. I've been driving a car for almost a decade, at all hours, yet I can't ride my bike after 10pm. It's crap.Originally Posted by Postie
I think the trouble is that different learners have different levels of ability, experience (when it comes to traffic, conditions etc.) and confidence. In a perfect world the restrictions on learners should be relative to those factors, however, that would be a very expensive system
Little Miss Adventure
I think the theory behind it all is good...
Learning to control your bike, and learning how traffic operates when you don't have anyone sitting next to you helping you out, is probably better done at lower speeds until you get the hang of it all.
Between 10pm and 5am a lot of people sleep. When you are still learning to ride a bike, you are more likely to make mistakes if you are tired. And motorbikes aren't the easiest things to see in the dark, especially if you are learning and likely to do random things.
An L plate warns other drivers that you may take a bit more time to do things, may stall at the traffic lights etc. Theoretically this will make people more understanding.
Of course, like any rule, there will be exceptions, but I think you have to draw the line somewhere, and encourage learners to ride in conditions that are suitable for their level of experience. Riding at 70 on the open road is a bit of a death wish, so I'm avoiding main highways until I am more comfortable on the bike (and of course, traffic on main highways doesn't always travel at 100km/h, I drive at 110 along SH 5 and hold everyone up as a result)
When I was learning to drive a car, you could halve the period of time on your learners licence if you took lessons through a driving school (I see they no longer do that though). I found driving lessons to be really helpful, and having something similar on the bike would be great. I think the learner licence period is a bit irrelevent, either you have the skills and pass the test, or you keep learning for a bit longer. Suggesting that 6 months is the minimum time it would take someone to come to terms with their bike, and be able to control it at 70+ km/h seems a bit excessive.
As something of an aside: How do people who don't drive find learning on a bike? I found learning to drive and getting the hang of traffic confusing as hell, and can't imagine trying to figure out the whole traffic thing, and the controls on the bike without someone there helping you out (as you do in a car).
Of course I've only been on my learners for 2 weeks. In 22 weeks time I will probably be heartily sick of it all, and be cursing the LTSA.
frequent infrequenter
well, yeah.. may be some exemptions, but then once you start bending the rules for one and not the other, things start to get a bit messy..
Can't always have one rule for one, and another for the others.. Altho I do understand what you mean about the curfew.
Fair weather rider
After taking a riding test, I was berated by the testing officer for doing 70kph on the motorway. He said I was putting myself in danger by riding that slowly and I agree with him. I never rode (or drove) with an L-plate when I was a learner - I think they are pointless. A bit like the baby on board sign in the back window: "I was going to crash into you, but seeing you have a baby on board, I won't." Yeah right. On a bike, whether you are learning or not, you might as well be invisible to cage drivers and it pays to assume you are. Unless you have a 2x2m L-plate with flashing LEDs - now that might help.
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70kph is an inconvenience and is too restrictive in terms of road use (no motorwyas/open roads etc)
The L plate is handy... I tend to look out for them and know to treat them with kid gloves...
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Still Ridin'
I'm with you on this. Fair enough having the 70km/h restriction - ostensibly to keep newbies "safely" within city limits (prior to the towns having 80kmph zones) and off the motorways - back when you answered a few questions and were allowed to practise on the roads... You only got a riding test when you felt you were ready to go for your provisional.
However, you have to be able to demonstrate a degree of proficiency before you get a learners licence these days and even remote, laid-back bucolic locations like Te Awamutu/Kihikihi have an 80km/h zone so the 70km/h restriction should go.
The restriction on driving hours is crap and I personally subscribe to the cynical theory someone posted re it being because the old farts who make the rules are jealous of those young enough to go out and have fun.
The L plate can go unless the powers that be can demonstrate that there are more people who treat it with consideration for the newbs than those who treat it as a target and object of derision.
I've said for ages we should grab the Aussie power-weight restrictions and their list of "approved learner bikes" - our country is legendary for pinching every other bugger's legislation and it would make a pleasant change to pinch something intelligent that actually works rather than something that the country concerned is in the act of repealing because it was not working...
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Still Ridin'
No way you'd get moving into a head wind with that on the back of a 250 and you'd be done for more than just exceeding 70km/h if you had a decent tail-wind...
Motorbike Camping for the win!
Lumpy
As I understand it, bikes are just as dangerous as cars unless you crash, and most collisions are caused by the incompetence of cagers. Nevertheless the crash is recorded as a 'motorcycle accident' regardless of fault = increased acc for us. Bloody cagers should pay for the mahem they cause
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yeah, definatly don't agree with 70km part,
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thats easy, i always have my full drivers licence and my restricted motorbike licece in my wallet, i can show the polite copper that i have a full drivers licence hense i am able to controll my motor bike in the same mannor at 10:01pm as i was at 9.59pm aswell as i am to drive a car at these hours and all the hours inbetween. Plus i'm 23 and don't need old slag Clark telling me when i have to go home.
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Salted Pork
I've got no problem with the L plate but the speed restriction is stupid. People tailgate at 100 kph but at 70 kph they are just about inserting themselves into your exhaust, which isn't a healthy situation for a learner motorcyclist. Its better to have all traffic flowing at a steady 100 kph. The benefits of which I believe have been demonstrated in the raising of trucks open road speed limit from 80 - 90 kph. Trucks now travel around 95ish most of the time, which allows other traffic to flow at a reasonable pace and reduces the number of frustrated drivers who are willing to overtake dangerously.
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Personally I think that a learner should be able to advance to his restricted as soon as he is ready to do the test. Ride around for a month or so at a 70kmh with an L plate and then get your restricted.
Personally when I was on my learners I never stuck to 70kmh or had an L plate and never had a problem with the law.
Deus ex ukulele
Go directly to jail, if the cop who apprehends you does a license check. It is illegal to carry two licenses, as you describe. And the cop will probably be totally indifferent as to which mannor you're in, as that doesn't affect his jurisdiction.
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