Bike protest at parlimant ground,,, Would you come,,

[Postie]

Yea im sure you have crashed alot, thats why you are happy to pay, The reality is cars crash into bikes. 80 percent of bike acicdents are caused by car drivers,

yeah i crash every day, so what.

where did you get your 80% statistics from?

[Ixion]

Yea im sure you have crashed alot, thats why you are happy to pay, The reality is cars crash into bikes. 80 percent of bike acicdents are caused by car drivers, ..

I doubt this figure. There are a hell of a lot of single vehicle bike crashes. ACC is a "no fault" scheme. All the ACC Corp do is look at how much money they've paid out to bike riders and divide by the number of registered bikes.

What IS unfair is that you pay multiple times for multiple vehicles. I own 6 ! But can only ever ride /drive one at a time. That, I would protest about. ACC are insuring ME not my vehicle, so the levy should be based on ME not my vehicle. Simple, right ?

[ZeroIndex]

I doubt this figure. There are a hell of a lot of single vehicle bike crashes. ACC is a "no fault" scheme. All the ACC Corp do is look at how much money they've paid out to bike riders and divide by the number of registered bikes.

What IS unfair is that you pay multiple times for multiple vehicles. I own 6 ! But can only ever ride /drive one at a time. That, I would protest about. ACC are insuring ME not my vehicle, so the levy should be based on ME not my vehicle. Simple, right ?

You have a really good point... maybe it should be more than just the biking community that should be protesting to the government...

[bugjuice]

whats the big deal with paying ACC levies, stop bitching and get on with it. Once you have a half decent accident, you will start to appreciate how little you actually contribute to ACC through your rego. a couple of hundred dollars a year is hardly much, i bet most people pay double that on private health insurance in a year and barely use it.
complain about gas prices, helmet duty or licence issues but fuck, with out ACC, alot of bikers would be a lot worse off, myself included.

I agree with you (especially after going thru with you, what happened).

It's not a case of chopping off the ACC. We do need that. But why not increase car levies by $30 and reduce ours by $20? That way, we both pay the same, and hey - ACC have just made an extra $10...

But by changing some of the laws that have been outlined before (like 70kph restriction) and by better training by both car drivers and bike riders, and just some damn better awareness by all, the ACC won't be needed as much, and we can live better.


I think the points of the thread are being lost. SW, list up in bullets, exactly what you're after. Then we're all clear on the same issue.

[Streetwise]

so im paying for you postie, Yea thats fair.

[skelstar]

The consequences of being in an accident is far more serious on a bike than in a car. Consequently the cost of healthcare/compensation is higher. Nothing to do with who causes the accident.

[Postie]

so im paying for you postie, Yea thats fair.

yeah you are, cheers

[*sic]

so im paying for you postie, Yea thats fair.

hey if it helps other riders heal up easier i gladly pay my extra bit!

chill out and take a sip from the hard stream.

[ManDownUnder]

Been done, fuck all good it did.

I'm glad Edison didn't think like that...

[skelstar]

Yeah, Id have to agree re: the hard stream call.
I think we would run the risk of sounding hypocritical if we race around the streets defying speed limits, and complain about how much we pay for compensation if we f*ck up.

Ok admittedly a loose association but you get my drift.

[Streetwise]

Ok so lets all just sit back let the price go higher and higher due to no one wanting to support anything being done, We are all to lazy or bad riders and dont give a shit. For those that dont go out and crash every second day it gets a tad anoying that im paying for you,

End result,

A drunk driver runs into a group of people and they all need treatment, who do we charge the hurt people or the drunk driver.......

they hit us we pay mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm gotta love politics

[Streetwise]

so do you realise that mopeds who are riden by car drivers generally, also come under motorcycle crashes,,, so you are paying for them to, how does that make you feel,,,,, They dont even need training or a licence and you pay for them,

[emaN]

Just a tho't, dunno how ludicrously ludicrous it is....

Would it be possible to form a Company

then register all our bikes (as in everyone's on KB for eg) as business vehicles of this Company

then "the Comapany" refuses to pay until they review their pricing policies?

Cos if i refuse to pay as an individual, it won't make an iota of difference.. Writing to local MP? yeh, right.

[bugjuice]

someone needs to cough up for a spin Dr that's got the right contacts in the right places.

Or just need to sit with someone face to face and ask.
May be see if Cambell would be arsed..

[madboy]

I agree that riding a motorcycle predisposes you to a significantly higher risk of being involved in an injury accident. However I have a fundamental problem with a system that penalises the innocent and vulnerable party. An insured 4wd with bull bars crashes into my insured car. My car will likely need new panels and extensive repair work. The 4wd may need a new indicator lense. Do I pay for their indicator lense when they were at fault? I don't think so.

So when a car u-turns in front of my bike and sticks me in hospital for a few weeks, who should be paying for that? Me. I'll be paying for it. It's reflected in the ACC levy that I pay. Just like when any farm boy wipes out the quad, or anyone crashes a trail bike. It all comes out of my road bike ACC levy.

It's not a very fair or equitable system. I can understand that it is simplistic and no doubt easy to administer. But this society thrives on what's easy, not on what's right. And therein lies the problem. NZ society. Nothing's gonna change that dumbass attitude.

I would be even more offended if I actually did pay the rego on my bike!