Bike protest at parlimant ground,,, Would you come,,

[Colapop]

I'll be there bike or not. I suggest that you promote this far and wide and the numbers will improve.

[Streetwise]

i agree,

Im thinking so far these are the points of interest.

1, Lower acc costs to all motorcycles,
2, Remove taxes on safety gear, (This would lower injury then treatment cost)
3, Better training to all new motorcyclists, (ie) on road assessment as part of handling skills,
4, Change 70k law to 100k during restricted period.

[skelstar]

Skys the limit in issues eh?
What about 'bike friendly road construction'? ie pothole covers on corners, ped crossings on corners, cheese-cutters and the like?

[Streetwise]

hello colapop, Yes i aggree but this is the first step, Just getting a feel,

[Streetwise]

yea it is,,, Cheese cutters have been a problem for ever,,, but im just getting a feel, any ideas,,

[bugjuice]

my 2¢ -

1) can't just remove it, cos treatment won't reduce in costs. I think pass on half the diff to cages, make it a level board for all.

2) not a bad idea. Make it more affordable for everyone

3) car drivers too. You could be the best rider in the world, and get taken out by a dumbarsed cager

4) during learners..

[chch_zed]

ACC levies should be charged to drivers not vehicles. Its is drivers that cause crashes.

That way they can assess everyone in the same way that insurance companies do. If you are a high risk you pay heaps, if you are a low risk you pay less.

This way the people who cause the crashes pay for the damage they do.

A few years ago I got knocked off my bike at a roundabout by a stupid cow in a 4WD. She go a $375 fine for careless use, I reckon it cost me about $2,500 to $3,000 lost wages (ACC only pay 80%) extra running costs while my bike was off the road, prescriptions (ACC only subsidise) and physio (again ACC only subsidise).

For all this I get charged more simply because of what I have chosen as my mode of transport.


Then to top this all off, you then get comments from other stupid bitches who also drive 4WD's....." Thats what you get for riding a motorcycle"

F@#K, that turned into a bit of a rant, didn't it.

Anyway, count me in.

[skelstar]

I think you would have to suggest changes that were not going include increased costs/commitment for cagers (tests/levies). The caging community (ie AA) are too vocal. Their Kungfu is much stronger than ours.

[Streetwise]

1, Lower acc costs to all motorcycles and increase cars to cover,
2, Remove taxes on safety gear, (This would lower injury then treatment cost)
3, Better training to all new motorcyclists, (ie) on road assessment as part of handling skills,
4, Change 70k law to 100k.

[Ixion]

Problem with (3) is that they can't get an L licence until AFTER they pass the BHT. And they can't ride on-road without the L licence. Catch 23

EDIT: Actually (3) would make the BHT in effect into the Restricted test. Cos how are they to acquire on road skills without having ridden on-road ? And if they are going to ride on road to acquire the road skills, then we need a new test that they take before venturing out onto the road to acquire those skills . Catch 24

[Streetwise]

skelstar, no try no success, i like your terminology

[Streetwise]

thats true but you can have exemptions as an instructor to allow things like this to happen, ( I think ) But the reality is that motorcycle instructors before long will be issueing the licences anyway, same way that trucks have gone, CBTA

[skelstar]

Hee.
All Im saying is that if youre gonna have a go you are best to look at the 'solutions' from the other angle and see what the likelyhood of it working is. There isnt going to be a 'go back to your desk, have another look at the problem and come back to me.'
If you say, "its not our fault, its theirs!"...they'll say "we arent paying anymore!!!...besides, you live by the sword, you die by the sword" (or words to that effect.
Im only suggesting you come up with a different way of doing it. I dont know what it is.

Just playing devil's advocate.

[MisterD]

Catch 23/24 etc

I know this going to sound like yet another POM "we do things better", but in this case the CBT (compulsory basic training) is far superior to the BHT.

Start with the cones in a car park, but with real-world situations, e.g how to take a right hand turn (check mirrors, signal, lifesaver, road position...etc etc)
Then if the instructor thinks you're competent, it's out onto the road in small groups (it was three riders when I did mine) with the instructor for a 30 minute evaluation before you can get your certificate.

***edit***
On on the subject of protesting at Parliament, well at least it should be easier for someone to ride a bike up the steps than it was to drive that tractor...

[Ixion]

Whn I was at Uni, there was a massive bike ride each year, through the grounds of schools, public buildings, anywhere we could get that we weren't supposed to. Think several THOUSAND bikes. Lots and lots of uni students rode bikes then.

We rode up LOTS of steps. Was a feature of the day. Steps is easy enough UNLESS you strike some that have a step to step distance (must be a word for it) that matches your wheel base. Then you get stuck.