Chris Carter and the environmental court

[Finn]

Hon Carter, as an "out" gay man, has absolutely no confusion about his "sexuality", as opposed to some of the brain-dead, repressed homophobes who post on this site.

I'm not brain dead, nor am I repressed. Just a little misunderstood.

Please stop calling him Hon Carter. There is nothing honourable about the prick. I say build the marina and develop huge apartments, retail & restaurants. The poor can move inland where they belong. They've had it too good for too long in this country.

[Ixion]

Im sorry that reveals a basic misunderstanding of the political process and separation of powers.

Court decisions MUST always be subject to revision by the executive, think Arthur Allan Thomas, Lindy Chamberlain etc.

remember that judges arent elected and politicians are. Thus, the only way a non-party to a judicial decision can have an effect is through the political process.

Sorry, disagree.

Separation of powers. The only way that the executive SHOULD be able to overide a decision of the judiciary is by invoking the Royal Prerogative. Which, technically lies under the authority of the Governor Genertal, not the Executive (I know that in reality the GG is never going to object to doing what the Exec tell him/her. Wimp. Need more brick walls)

In practice, as in this case, the Executive have indeed encroached upon the liberty of the Judiciary. That reality does not make it constitutionally acceptable.

The instances you specify can be (indeed, were) handled through the Prerogative of Mercy.

[Ixion]

What on earth makes you think NATIONAL is not a "left" leaning political party?

There is very little difference between any of the political parties seriously on offer in this country and all of them have leanings left of center, including ACT.

The only "right wing" party on offer in New Zealand (IMO) is the Libertarian party and they really just make a token effort.

New Zealand gets the government it deserves I'm afraid. John.

No indeed. Both National and Labour are strongly right wing parties. And the country does not get the government it deserves. It *deserves* a Communist government. With me as Party Secretary. We wouldn't have any whinging from the bourgeoisie about having nowhere to moor their floating gin palaces then. No bourgoisie = no gin palaces = no marinas . Sorted.

[Motu]

I'll be your right hand man,I'll supply my own rain coat...everyone will have to ride just one brand of motorcycle...and I'll design it!!!

[MisterD]

With me as Party Secretary.

The next question is for you, Karl Marx....."The Hammers" is the nickname of which English football team? Ooops

There's far too much wealth re-distribution going on already, so sorry but

[Finn]

No indeed. Both National and Labour are strongly right wing parties. And the country does not get the government it deserves. It *deserves* a Communist government. With me as Party Secretary. We wouldn't have any whinging from the bourgeoisie about having nowhere to moor their floating gin palaces then. No bourgoisie = no gin palaces = no marinas . Sorted.

At first your post angered me but then I actually thought about it and you know what? You're absolutely right! NZ not only deserves a Communist Government, it needs one. Corruption goes hand in hand with Communism and with corruption at least things would get done in this shithole. Status quo for the maori's though. They already play that game really well.

[Phurrball]

Other people have already picked over the carcass of this issue...but nonetheless:

Who's to say that the minister won't be spanked on judicial review if he has acted ultra vires or taken into account irrelevant considerations? Any court process is expensive...It's just something we have to wear if we like a full series of appellate courts and judicial review process etc.

Without looking at the case, or relevant legislation, it is entirely possible that the minister does have a veto power as a member of the executive. This isn't really anything unusual. It's not political interference in the judicial process - the judiciary was left alone to make its decision, the veto was after the fact, and possibly subject to judicial review...

Finn - you're an angry fella aren't you? What happened to you to make you so damned bitter and twisted? Go and hug a queer leftie for me wouldya...I'm sure everyone would feel a whole lot better.

[oldrider]

I'll be your right hand man,I'll supply my own rain coat...everyone will have to ride just one brand of motorcycle...and I'll design it!!!

Yeah right, how many Soviet bikes do you see at rallys and wouldn't Cuba be a great place for a HOG rally!! :spudwhat:

I would be glad to ride a bike designed by you though Motu! but not under Ixions government.

Actually Ixion I think you would probably be better than this bunch of wankers anyway.

[Motu]

I wouldn't go as far as designing a twin...but I might spit on my page and fold it in half.Ed Turner would be proud of me!

[Finn]

Carter is an embarassment.

The IWMC (World Conservation Trust), headed up by the former head of CITES, Eugene Lapointe, awarded Carter the dubious honour of "most ludicrous claim" after Carter's performance representing New Zealand at a meeting of an international conservation body 2 years ago.

http://www.iwmc.org/whales/iwc56/040722-special-01.htm

He was also described as "excitable", "badly-informed", and it was suggested that "he grew up and stopped embarrassing his country."

http://www.iwmc.org/whales/iwc56/040722-special-02.htm

But then one has to remember that Carter is a politician, not a "conservationist" - let alone a true conservationist. What would you expect from a third world politician working for a third world government. The people that worked to get resource consent for this project would have been better off giving the minister a backhander than wasting a million plus on the RMA, I'm sure things would have been different if this approach had been taken.

[idb]

If he is unable to appreciate the significance of his own "gender" how on earth is he capable of deciphering the significant facts in the decision making process of "Government".

The man has obviously been borne "confused".

His latest decision demonstrates to me that he is now "completely confused". :spudbn:

Thats why his sexuality is relevant to this discussion. IMO.

Confusion seems to be an important attribute in choosing labour candidates!

I defend his right to be "confused" but I don't want confused people making confused decisions on "my behalf". :spudgrr: John.

Good grief, that's a whole 'nother discussion John (can homosexuality be cured etc) but despite his 'confusion' about what gender he is he is still the minister in a democratically elected gummint and the discussion is whether the minister should be able to overturn a judicial decision handed down after due process has been followed.
Whether or not I agree with his decision in this case, I personally feel uncomfortable about that.

[Ixion]

I wouldn't go as far as designing a twin...but I might spit on my page and fold it in half.Ed Turner would be proud of me!

uh uh , the NZ Commie Government migjht be heading for an ideological split. Over matters of paramount importance, , about which there can be no comprimise. The KiwiBike *will* be a two stroke, of course?

[Finn]

Finn - you're an angry fella aren't you? What happened to you to make you so damned bitter and twisted? Go and hug a queer leftie for me wouldya...I'm sure everyone would feel a whole lot better.

I'm not angry at all. I have ADHD. Please be more sympathetic to my postings in future.

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah right, how many Soviet bikes do you see at rallys and wouldn't Cuba be a great place for a HOG rally!! :spudwhat:

Cuba actually has a health and education system that shames ours. (Which isn't that difficult)

And wouldn't you all like to drive rusted out 1950's American iron with Lada engines?

[The Stranger:Me]

Hon Carter's "sexuality" obviously tittilates some red necks but has no relevance whatsoever to the topic under discussion. Hon Carter, as an "out" gay man, has absolutely no confusion about his "sexuality", as opposed to some of the brain-dead, repressed homophobes who post on this site.

Fess up who was tittilated by Carters sexuality?

I am confused (not sexually mind you), if he has no problem with everyone knowing he is gay, what is the problem with Finn pointing it out?

This is scandelous hitcher, quickly out the repressed homophobes for us all to ridicule!!!