Red lights are the new Stop signs?

[ZeroIndex]

In the States you can turn right at a red if clear which is not a bad idea....

That would be a left turn in NZ (or any country that drives on the 'correct', not 'right' side of the road

[denill]

I agree toilet idea "with onus on the turner".....just adding to an already frequent hazard.........I think he is in deniel.......

So I was wrong - there is no consensus.
But what do you guys do when confronted with a 'free left turn' intersection?? WTF is the difference??? The onus is on the turner............

[Finn]

And they'd retain it.
They sound like the civil servants of old.

No, these ones don't smell as bad.

Sorry, your wing mirrors comment went over my head. Explain please sir.

[Grahameeboy]

That would be a left turn in NZ (or any country that drives on the 'correct', not 'right' side of the road

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[Grahameeboy]

So I was wrong - there is no consensus.
But what do you guys do when confronted with a 'free left turn' intersection?? WTF is the difference??? The onus is on the turner............

does there have to be a consensus.....I agree the onus is on turner but I was just saying that we don't want to add to more of these hazard situations and giving road users the "shall I shan't I" choice of being able to turn on a red light when they struggle with this indecisional balance at uncontrolled junctions.

What is wrong with just waiting at the lights......I must be a laid back non whinging POM........no surely not......more pills required I am British...

[denill]

does there have to be a consensus.....I agree the onus is on turner but I was just saying that we don't want to add to more of these hazard situations and giving road users the "shall I shan't I" choice of being able to turn on a red light when they struggle with this indecisional balance at uncontrolled junctions.

What is wrong with just waiting at the lights......I must be a laid back non whinging POM........no surely not......more pills required I am British...

It seems pretty simple to me. If there is something coming - don't go!!!

If you are saying, and you would probably be right, that there are fuckwits out there who would have difficulty dealing with a free left turn at traffic lights - they're going to cause mayhem somwhere anyhow.........

I really marvel that there are not more road fatalities than there are.

[Sniper]

The amount of cars that we (our buisness) lose per year with the Turn right/left at a red from Americans gives me enough ground to say that the rule is FUCKEN STUPID

[Ixion]

An alternative interpretation might be that Americans are fricken stupid ? Or just expect everywhere else in the world to follow US practices ?

[Finn]

Okay, so it's 3:30 in the morning and you happen upon a red light. It's stuck on red. You're sitting there on your motorbike in the pooring rain in the middle of winter. Would you;

a) Ring for help and wait until it arrives
b) Leave your bike there with a note and walk home
c) Look both ways and carefully move on

It appears alot of you would choose "a" or "b". You lot deserve the outstanding law abidding citizen award.

[Ixion]

(d). Ride up onto the footpath on the other side of the road, down a business driveway , round out the other side of his front yard, out the other driveway on the road that's got the green light (still). That's what I did last time, anyway .

[Finn]

(d). Ride up onto the footpath on the other side of the road, down a business driveway , round out the other side of his front yard, out the other driveway on the road that's got the green light (still). That's what I did last time, anyway .

You just broke 4 laws that I can count.

1) You crossed the centre line and lane at an intersection
2) You recklessly rode up onto the footpath
3) You tresspassed
4) You tried to make fun of my post

[skidMark]

its a bit tricky on a bike sometimes, if you are at the front of a queue waiting for your green right turn arrow and your bike isn't heavy enough to set off the censors so you miss your phase.

they don't get set off by weight.... they sense the metal alot of newer bikes contain alot of alloy so are harder to set off.... also the road works guys sometimes bury the strip too deep

[Lou Girardin]

No, these ones don't smell as bad.

Sorry, your wing mirrors comment went over my head. Explain please sir.

Just asking if you had any left after jumping red lights around bikers.

[Lou Girardin]

What is wrong with just waiting at the lights.......

Nothing. Everyone bar taxi drivers used to do it. then they came out with arrows controlling every direction, multiple (unnecessary) phases and people just got pissed off with the stupidity.

[Grahameeboy]

It seems pretty simple to me. If there is something coming - don't go!!!

I agree but life ain't simple these days.

[If you are saying, and you would probably be right, that there are fuckwits out there who would have difficulty dealing with a free left turn at traffic lights - they're going to cause mayhem somwhere anyhow.........

I guess I am concerned that we would just increase opportunities for fuckwits with a different Red light system....I mean the turning left rule is crazy......it is because of the give way to your right rule but isn't the turning right vehicle actally oncoming, not coming from right....maybe it's me....okay it is then...

I really marvel that there are not more road fatalities than there are.

[/B]Well per head of pop. NZ is around 2nd despite having one of the lowest average speed limits in the world.....

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