on the up
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3601873a10,00.html
Can someone please explain to me:
a) Why anyone should bother paying fines; and
b) if a lot of these fines are for speeding, does that make a further mockery of the speed kills campaign/speedcameras etc...
your opinions please?
And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.
- James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.
frequent infrequenter
bollox. i've just paid a fine too. had i known this, why should i have bothered?
Salted Pork
Surely that can't be right? I mean to say, it is all about revenue gathering, isn't it?
Mr Power said serial non-payers were appearing before the courts and judges had limited options to deal with them.
the fines were REMITTED, not waived. that is, they were (in the main) swapped for another sentence.
this is the main issue. it's not joe public who keeps themselves honest and pays the bills on time. if you want to rack up $20000 in fines, then be a total loser and go through all the hassles of community service, disqualified driving, general tosser behaviour (speaking of which - did you see that loser from chch complaining cause his skyline was being impounded for his $18000 of fines the other night?).
i doubt if your $170 speeding fine is going to be worth doing community service for
One, two free, floor!
Why write it off???
ESCALATE the fucken things... if the fine remains unchallenged at the time it falls due, hand it to the Tax Department.
They have to pay... and if they don't, cancel driver's licence, passports etc till they do.
That's MY MONEY they're giving away... MINE.
Fucken idiots
$2,000 cash if you find a buyer for my house, kumeuhouseforsale@straightshooters.co.nz for details
One, two free, floor!
All good points, but I'd challenge the last statement... if you simply "refuse to pay" then yes - community srvice or whatever for you...Originally Posted by marty
No point in issuing threats (or penalties) if they're not going to be enforced.
edit - see remitted
Cancelled, written off etc. That's not a swap for something else... it's a get out of jail card.
$2,000 cash if you find a buyer for my house, kumeuhouseforsale@straightshooters.co.nz for details
Who you gonna call!
Well that confirms it im a nice law abiding citizen I pay my fines! But apparently (after reading this) im an idiot as well.
Second is the fastest loser
"It is better to have ridden & crashed than never to have ridden at all" by Bruce Bennett
DB is the new Porridge. Cause most of the mods must be sucking his cock ..... Or his giving them some oral help? How else can you explain it?
Blowin up bikes since ages ago
I work for the MOJ in Collections, specifically dealing with the Top 20 fines defaulters in NZ. As the media has stated the top fines defaulter in NZ owes 1.8 million and has left the country as have most of the top 10. For these we cannot do anything but issue a WTA (warrant to arrest) for when they come back into the country. However all that does is put the person up in front of the judge who then assesses the defendants means to pay. If a person who owes a sizeable amount of fines has no assets etc then they can be imprisoned or given community service. The courts are also able to get charging orders over peoples property even if they are not residing in NZ. Yes some people do have their fines remitted but there are many "guidelines" that a judge has to follow.
I believe that some of the $$ included in these figures will be put down to businesses that have been written of, liquidated or similar and those fines are now deemed uncollectbale same goes if someone is deceased. You will be amazed at the lies people tell just to get out of paying their fines, sometimes they get away with it. Alot of people fail to take responsibility for their actions and unfortunately no one can make them no matter what processes or procedures are in place. People change their names and all do all sorts of things to avoid paying their fines. However like alot of people here it angers me to see some peoples fines being remitted/wiped whatever is the case.
"Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"
One, two free, floor!
Cheers for that
A couple of questions.. (not having a go at you - just trying to understand).
1) How does one rack up $1.8 million in fines? I'd expect to be hauled in front of a judge long before that... Are they speeding, parking, other?
2) What is the total debt across all 10, or what is the debt owed by #10?
Cheers
MDU
$2,000 cash if you find a buyer for my house, kumeuhouseforsale@straightshooters.co.nz for details
Blowin up bikes since ages ago
MDU, its all good mate. Its just a job, not a religion.....
Answer to question 1 - He was winding the odometers back on cars he was selling, cant go into too much detail because of the privacy act however when he knew that he was getting in trouble he left the country. He now owns and operates a car yard in Aussie and we cant do anything. NZ courts/law has no power in any other country which is why many serial fines defaulters leave...
I cannot answer question 2. I like being paid.
"Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"
Forum whore
Sure it is, and this is entirely consistent with that.
They are simply wiping the ones which are going to cost more to collect than the income they will generate.
In fact it reinforces the position that it is revenue based, were it about justice or some other pipe dream they wouldn't let up would they.
straight to the pool room
It is an interesting problem. The fine system, although aimed at being fair, does disadvantage some. For instance, a person on $200K a year isn't going to give two shites about a $170 speeding ticket. To someone on the DPB this is a huge amount of money. I am not saying that these fines should be imposed, I just think that we can not expect everyone to pay these fines upfront. Some people, even though they have made a mistake, will think logically community service will be a more effective way of paying the fine. Currently to do this they can only simly refuse to pay and wait for a court date.
My view is that the community service program should be updated and better funded. If people get a ticket they can have the choice to work it off or pay it off. It may be that community service for not paying fines should not be marked on your record. This way the offender is still punished but they can immediatley (without hassle) perform a valuable service to the community without bankrupting them.
"Resort to the law so exhausts finances, patience, courage, hope, so overthrows the brain and breaks the heart, that there is not one honourable lawyer who would not give the warning "Suffer any wrong rather than come here".
Charles Dickens
Blowin up bikes since ages ago
Of course it is. Thats why it pays to pay your fine or dispute it before it goes to court. The courts are just like Baycorp - the issuing authority tickets the person, you dont pay it before its due it goes to court with an extra $30 banged on top of it, when its late with the courts another $100 on it.
As for it being too hard, thats definately not a reason, there have to be many reasons for why a fine is wiped. The unit I work in is relatively new, we are paid to track and trace people who dont pay their fines some of theses fines date back to 1980..... they are putting more and more measures in place to find these people.
As I said previously its just a job to me, im not going to get offended at those who are angry with the processes/courts/law/world in general etc, I worked as a fines collector at the contact centre for almost 2 years believe me it makes you very thick skinned! However someone needs to do my job, if it wasnt me it'd be someone else.
"Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"
Who you gonna call!
You do the crime you pay the fine!
Im with you on the last paragraph!
Second is the fastest loser
"It is better to have ridden & crashed than never to have ridden at all" by Bruce Bennett
DB is the new Porridge. Cause most of the mods must be sucking his cock ..... Or his giving them some oral help? How else can you explain it?
that community service/pay a fine thing is a great idea.
and yeah, i know remitted is to cancel, but in the context of remitting fines, they are almost always replaced by some other sentence. unfortunately the hourly rate usually works out to be about $500/hr
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