I have a vision*

[Big Dave]

BRONZ and the insignia used on the website appears to be 'gang' related... and thats not an image you want to portray to government or the public (IMHO).

keep em coming,

Short of the Mickey Mouse type triumph rat - anything will get that result.
too soft and it won't appeal to bikers. (like the stupid mouse)

They are the cards we've been dealt and the good reputation the group has garnered would be wasted with a new playing pack.

[Pixie]

Utopia.
I looked it up just to make sure i have the right definition. yeah, I know, Wikipedia ain't 'definitive' - but for the sake of this exercise:
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Utopian, in its most common and general positive meaning, refers to the human efforts to create a better, or perhaps perfect society. Ideas which could/are considered able to radically change our world are often called utopian ideas.


*and slight stigmatism from staring at phosphor screens.

I had vision too...the meths sorted that out.

Utopia...greek for nowhere.

Stigmatism? you have holes in your hands?

[Big Dave]

Stigmatism? you have holes in your hands?

Hmm - St Big Dave the evangelist - I like it!
yes! we have no tomartyrs today!


You set 'em up - I'll knock 'em over
boom-tish!

[bugjuice]

so..

[Big Dave]

so..

gold

[Motu]

BRONZ was started back when we were all just hippies that got dirty (I've never been a member,but knew some of the guys who were) Utopia wasn't a dream,it was really going to happen....poof,like just appear with no effort on our part.We had ideals in those days,we were going to change the world - we sat around and talked about it,and talked about it....and then read another book and smoked some more dope and had another dream about another new world.

It seemed so real at the time,y'know?

I've always stood on the outside of the circle looking in...I always agree with what everyone says.I'm one of the reasons BRONZ is so gutless....

[SwanTiger]

BRONZ sounds like a dead entity to me, the lack of effort that goes into communicating with its members and to potential members is surprising. I'm sure there are dedicated people within the group however it needs a funeral.

It might be time a group of motorcycle minded individuals setup an organisation with more transparency and outward communication with members and non members. As well as organised rides to gain attention and notoriety from all the right people.

Not a new idea - Big Dave, anyone else keen on that?

BRONZ has the frame work there, but maybe its just rusted out to the point of no return, so to speak, Can it be revived?

[Big Dave]

I don't know for sure. I don't *know* the answers to lots of this stuff.

To me the work and effort that the people I met so far have put in is worthy of respect. Motu's call is true, if there is 'blame' then it rests more with indifference.

It appears to me that there is more right than wrong. Ther are processes already in place, I don't want to re-invent the wheel, just lubricate the one that is there. and maybe bolt on a big dave turbo kit



I also like this brave new world stuff of using the e-forums to collaboratively talk it through. We're the first generations to do stuff like this.

[SwanTiger]

Yeah, well I'm keen to get along to one of these meetings and gauge its "liveliness" for myself then base a factual opinion.

For one, that website really does need some attention, I don't think its ready for a forum just yet, but it definitely needs to be updated on a regular basis and a member community needs to be established as well.

[Ixion]

All voluntary organisations go through this. They start out with everybody keen, and full of spunk , and roaring. It's a brave new world and everyone rushes head long into the fray. Sort of like a young guy with his first bike

Then the years go by , and everybody settles down. Gets comfortable. Establishes little routines. The bovver boots get changed for carpet slippers. Everybodys still keen and just as committed. But the fires banked down to a nice glow.

Sort of like when you're young a fire means a roaring conflagration with steaks and sausgaes, and lots of beer and people passing out and spewing intot he flames and heaps of noise. Then when y'get older a fire means a cost fireplace and a couple of easy chairs and a nice glass of wine before bed.

But new blood can revitalise an organisation, cos the new folk are all roar and full throttle again. And if you CAN introduce the new blood without the old experienced hands getting pissed off and quiting, then you have the best of both worlds.

And if you can wind the motor up again, it's much easier than restarting from scratch.

[Ixion]

Yeah, well I'm keen to get along to one of these meetings and gauge its "liveliness" for myself then base a factual opinion.

For one, that website really does need some attention, I don't think its ready for a forum just yet, but it definitely needs to be updated on a regular basis and a member community needs to be established as well.

See , 'tis indeed the bold nbew world. 20 years ago, even 10 years ago , who'd have thought the first question about any organisation would be "What's its website like?". Yet nowdays it's the first question folk ask - "What's the URL ?"

These are exciting times we live in .

[Big Dave]

See , 'tis indeed the bold nbew world.

touch early for the sherry ibsn't it?