I'm Dangerous

[scumdog]

Been there done that, its incredibly frustrating huh? When I was there it took me about 4 hours to enter a plea of not guilty and to get a hearing date set. On the day of the hearing I was told that the police had dropped the case within about 1/2 an hour of arriving but then had to wait over 2 hours untill my case was called and I could be 'officially' told. Arrragh!

If you plead guilty you can usually get away before morning tea. I think it was the registrar who told me that quite a few people change their plea from not to guilty so they won't have to wait so long.

I don't think i'd bother defending a $150 ticket again. Kinda different if its a more serious charge though I guess.

And certain people advocate "defend everything, all your speeding tickets because if everybody did it it it'll clog the Court system" - well it's too late for that eh?

[Patrick]

Looking at the bridge and the clear vis shown in your photos, makes it all look good for ya. Unless there is more to this?

[chickenfunkstar]

And certain people advocate "defend everything, all your speeding tickets because if everybody did it it it'll clog the Court system" - well it's too late for that eh?

Lol, I guess so. Its a shame it takes so long if you're genuinly innocent though. The way the system is run seems to waste everyones time, I can't see why you couldn't just ask the registrar to tick the not guitly box next to your name and be done with it. That would take about 15 seconds.

[scumdog]

Lol, I guess so. Its a shame it takes so long if you're genuinly innocent though. The way the system is run seems to waste everyones time, I can't see why you couldn't just ask the registrar to tick the not guitly box next to your name and be done with it. That would take about 15 seconds.

There are soooo many ways that time is wasted needlessly, i.e. a person pleading not guilty who have been caught red-handed - but plead not guilty just in case something crops up to get them off - then at the 11th hour plead guilty at the next hearing....
Or do the above but change their plea at the last minute when they find out its a 'soft' judge, the list goes on and on with time wasters..

[kickingzebra]

not to mention the enourmous sums of tax payers money that keep an outdated inefficiant system alive.
But surely the protocol upholds the scariness of the place, and hence provides initiative to stay out? Unless of course you are an honest person trying to defend your integrity, in which case it just rubs salt in the wounds.
Imagine charging the department with lost time.
what 50 people per day on the average $20 an hour, times 8 hours, times 300 days per year, for every major courthouse in NZ?

Nasty bill to foot. Career criminals need to be treated differently. When I went to court for careless use of a motorvehicle, I thought all the Mob members etc hanging around were gonna start a gang war in the atrium. Not good on the OSH report surely either??!
In a full court you have to sit next to some twat who hasn't bathed in a week, is half stoned, and angry at the world for some percieved wrong, so takes to beating up his kids and missus... etc etc. Hands in pockets to keep hold of wallet etc...

Flip, if you can't feel safe in the middle of the territory of the law, where the hell can you?

[Lou Girardin]

There are soooo many ways that time is wasted needlessly, i.e. a person pleading not guilty who have been caught red-handed - but plead not guilty just in case something crops up to get them off - then at the 11th hour plead guilty at the next hearing....
Or do the above but change their plea at the last minute when they find out its a 'soft' judge, the list goes on and on with time wasters..

Civil rights a such a drag. Innocence till PROVEN guilty and all that.

[The Stranger:Me]

And certain people advocate "defend everything, all your speeding tickets because if everybody did it it it'll clog the Court system" - well it's too late for that eh?

Just got back now, and after today I think that is a sterling idea. Plus, now I feel it is my civic duty to report every cage screw up that I see to the Police snitch line.

Mind you, even without my help the courts are more than adequately able to clog themselves up.

[Maverick]

Just got back now, and after today I think that is a sterling idea. Plus, now I feel it is my civic duty to report every cage screw up that I see to the Police snitch line.

Mind you, even without my help the courts are more than adequately able to clog themselves up.

So what happened in the end? I hope things went alright???

[Swoop]

And who are they calling as witnesses (+ how many)?

[The Stranger:Me]

What does your summary of facts that they disclosed to you say?

Ok, I am a little confused here.

I had read it before, but did not focus attention on that, rather on the witness statement.

However the summary of "facts" is significantly at odds with the witness statement and the actual squence of events. So I guess the question is, what role does the summary of facts play in the trial?

Will take more time to type than I have right now, but I will endeavour to do this tomorrow some time.

[sAsLEX]

Summary of Facts is basically that, a brief summary of what the police believe happened.

How does it differ from the witness statement?

Ok to summarise:

The summary of facts is much like a film adaptation of a book, in this case the witness testimony, where the director , in this case a cop, decides which parts to embelish and which parts to leave out and also which bits to just plain make up and add to the original story. In the end you end up with nothing like the book and you feel violated after seeing the movies blasphemous attempt at representing your favourite novel......( you get bum sex from the judge).

[sAsLEX]

lol....time for you to bend over...

To be honest the summary of facts should not differ from the witness statement in any way. This is because the Police are relying totally on a witness rather than Police turning up at a scene and making a decision on what happened based on the facts that are stated and physical evidence.

ummm so why would our man here, and many others I have talked to find that when they get to court the facts aren't allowed to get in the way of a good story...........

[Patrick]

ummm so why would our man here, and many others I have talked to find that when they get to court the facts aren't allowed to get in the way of a good story...........

Its the same on KB... or TV3....

[sAsLEX]

Its the same on KB... or TV3....

It was your kneck of the woods a cop was recently belittled by a judge for his near purgerous accusations against a fellow KBer

[Patrick]

Still... NO IT WASN'T!!!!! AGAIN...!!! Yes, it was south of the Bombays, but that is about it...there is a whole wide piece of world south of the Bombays you know...