Police muscle in on funeral cortege

[Hitcher]

Go knock on his door the following day or something...? Or is that too simple?

At face value, maybe. But there could be liability issues if said nong on bike had come off and hurt his head when the constabulary had had full knowledge and could have done something to prevent such an injury occuring.

The law says "Wear your hat, don't be a prat."

[ManDownUnder]

At face value, maybe. But there could be liability issues if said nong on bike had come off and hurt his head when the constabulary had had full knowledge and could have done something to prevent such an injury occuring.

The law says "Wear your hat, don't be a prat."

I see the dilemma (I did before actually) but if the guy's only doing 20kph judgement says you sit back and watch.

If he's doing something to indicate injury is more likely - then yeah.

That all being said - I only know what the press have told me and for some reason I expect it's no the whole story
MDU

[Paul in NZ]

I hope you never have to loose someone close enough to you that you understand my point of view.

Admitadbly, it the case in question.. the kid was not a biker, and so im gonna have to sit on the fence on that particular case.

In the case of any biker funeral, however. I have always and will always take my hat off.

Dude I've been to lots of em!! People I cared about and rode with. Half the time, most of the people 'showing respect' didn't know the guest of honour from a bar of soap! I got a bit jaded on that whole 'biker code of honour' thing after a while!

I took Vicki to a funeral of a mate that died in a head on. We were good mates for ages. In fact there was a greasy spot on the fall where he used to lean back on his crate of beer and the leather jacket stained the paper! We took the car cos it was a crap day and my bike didn't have any pillion pegs on it and I'd not long come back from overseas. My mates were just glad to see me and were real nice to Vicki etc but I got a lot of shit from people who barely knew me OR the victim but wanted to be seen in the parade. Funnily enough his family and friends were just glad to see us there!

Friends are friends in life and in death. I couldn't gives a flat rats arse if you turn up to my final going away party on a unicycle. I just really think a lot of this biker funeral stuff is overdone! Sorry if it offends you! We might just have to agree to disagree and I promise I'll turn up lid less for your bash should you be unlucky enough to go before me!

Picture is of me and a few mates headed off at around the same time as the events i described. Mid 70's, pre cheap HD imports

[Albino]

I find it amazing how many people here advocate strict adherence to the law on this issue, but will happily ignore other laws to suit.

Yes, the speed limit is law.

Yes, going 104 is breaking the law, but you all do it.

[scumdog]

I got a bit jaded on that whole 'biker code of honour' thing after a while!

Got to agree Paul, I've probably been guilty of over indulging in this mythical 'code of honour' thing myself in the past.

Now it's take each guy/situation as they come along, staunch 'brotherhood' stuff is for the wannabes and gang members i.e. those who have yet to leave adolescence. (sheeit, I can talk!!)

Nothing wrong with a bit of moral support and comradeship but some get a bit carried away eh?

[Ixion]

'Tis not a matter of mourning, BTW. It's a matter of respect. If I see a funeral cortege and I'm on foot and wearing a hat, I'll remove said hat until the cortege has passed. As would any gentleman.

If I'm stopped by the roadside on my bike and a cortge goes past, I'll get off and remove my helmet, until it is passed. As, I opine, would any gentleman.

If parked in my car, I'll get out and stand by the car, uncovered.

In all cases, regardless of whether I know who the procession is "for" (so mourning is irrelevant) .

It is a matter of breeding and respect in our society to honour the dead , whoever they may be, by uncovering.

Such things are certainly not NECESSARY. And if you choose to ignore them , no-one can prevent you doing so.

But such small politenesses and common courtesies are the lubricant of society. Those who knowingly flout them , show themselves anti-social, those who unwittingly flout them risk being thought ill bred.

Boorishness and ill manners improverish all of us.

In this case, there is a conflict betwixt good manners and the letter of the law. So those who prefer to obey the law may be excused. But those who choose to follow the precepts of good conduct are deserving of having their choice respected.

Personally, I would ride lidless , so long as the speed was slow (20kph or so).

[Hitcher]

I find it amazing how many people here advocate strict adherence to the law on this issue, but will happily ignore other laws to suit.

Yes, the speed limit is law.

Yes, going 104 is breaking the law, but you all do it.

The issue here isn't choosing the break the law. It's about getting pissed off and looking for excuses when you're busted.

[Paul in NZ]

If I'm stopped by the roadside on my bike and a cortge goes past, I'll get off and remove my helmet, until it is passed. As, I opine, would any gentleman.

While the rest of the country is around at the family home making off with the TV! Also Ixion, there are few gentlefolk left in the world!

Besides, I wus bought up common guv'nor

[marty]

Why were charges not pressed?
Probably because some reasonable boss cop with common sense (there are a few) told the piglets to stop being cunts and pull their heads in.

i also wondered if anyone else had read that post

[sunhuntin]

....snip....

ixion....i was taught to pull over for a funeral......but now i see very few people even do that these days. i try to ,and generally will if im not late.

[spudchucka]

Its good to see that the quality of the KB fuck da pigs threads has remained constant in my absence.

[Bandit Rider]

There is a time and place for everything - well most things. Anyone who has any serious responsibility should know there are times to look the other way. It was one of those times.

[number33]

Two guys are playing golf. 1st guy is about to sink a putt when a funeral procession drives by the course. As the coffin passes, 1st guy removes his cap and stands in silence for 30 seconds. 2nd guy says 'That was a very caring and sensitive thing to do" As he lines up the putt again, 1st guy says "Yes, we were married for 30 years you know"

[Motu]

Dude I've been to lots of em!! People I cared about and rode with. Half the time, most of the people 'showing respect' didn't know the guest of honour from a bar of soap! I got a bit jaded on that whole 'biker code of honour' thing after a while!

I just really think a lot of this biker funeral stuff is overdone! Sorry if it offends you!

Exactly.Late last year I went to the funeral of a member of Auckland's dominant bike gang in the early '70's,three past presidents were there.I didn't know the guy that well,he wouldn't of known who the hell I was,but I went with a very good friend of mine from those days who did know him well.When he rung to tell me I got the impression he would like me to come with him,and as I was usualy with him when we met this guy and his associates I thought it would be good to respect the wishes of one of the best friends I've ever had.

There was no prosession with bikes,no show of ''colours'',the gang has been forgotten,although there were bikes present in the parking lot.It was just a gathering of fairly normal looking people dressed in black,a casual observer would of seen nothing different than what goes on everyday there.But as far as ''biker'' funerals go,this guy would of been far more deserving of the full regalia....but everyone there was well over those days,it was just a day of rememberance and respect.

[kro]

So to summarise:

The "safety nazi's" are wankers.

We must pay full respect to the dead, and little, if any to the living.

We must respect all dead people, even if we don't know them, and they may have died by putting a gun to their head after raping and killing a teenage girl.

Wearing seatbelts is the same as wearing helmets, and doesn't really assist in any way, to injury minimisation.

All cops are fuckheads.

People should be able to ride lidless, because it's their right to choose, in much the same way it's peoples right to drive drunk, and speed.

That's about all I glean from this thread, and agree with none of it.