Licence questions

[MSTRS:Me]

that was in 1975 people

it was tough back then eh....
I did mine in 1973 and had to go thru some roadworks on a Triumph Tigress (scooter with little wheels for you yunguns). Testing Officer said that'll do me, here's your licence. Hand written booklet in those days. Oh yeah...and it was one of those 'lifetime' jobbies as well. Yea right

[JimO]

and you could ride any size bike you wanted a mate got his on a suzuki waterbus

[Stevo]

I think you'd have to go at 70, because you are still on a learner licence, and only allowed to go 70, even in a 100km/h zone.
I'm interested to know how strict they are with your speed during the test. I read somewhere that you are supposed to be within 5km/h of the speed limit, but must never exceed it, or you'll fail. My speedo only gives a vague approximation of the speed you are travelling at, so if they are going to be strict about the speed you travel at, I could be in trouble.
But I've got until August to sort it out.

Silly though isn't it? 5 mins after the test you can do 100 all the way home. You'd think they want to observe you at that speed or something to evaluate your performance (does the rider drift wide on a corner at 100km/h) before they let you loose. It seems not

[MSTRS:Me]

Silly though isn't it? 5 mins after the test you can do 100 all the way home. You'd think they want to observe you at that speed or something to evaluate your performance (does the rider drift wide on a corner at 100km/h) before they let you loose. It seems not

Valid point. Don't think I've seen this mentioned by anyone else ever...guess these tests etc are not based on logic.

[bert_is_evil]

Can someone please tell me what a CBTA is?

[Ixion]

Valid point. Don't think I've seen this mentioned by anyone else ever...guess these tests etc are not based on logic.

The new restricted test, introduced a month or so ago, requires a part of the test to be in a 70 -100kph area. Which will now address the speed issue for cars. But bikes, as noted, have a problem. They CAN'T test you at more than 70kph, because to do so would require you to break the law - you still have only a learners licence. I rang LTSA and asked them about this. They said "um ah, hm , yeah , uh, waffle waffle go away".

I imagine they will deal with it as they deal with the full test requirement to identify hazards - works in a car but on a bike, if you identify them , how do you point it out to the tester? Those radios they use are one way only! So, basically they ignore it.

The tests for bikes are a bit of a joke, it is pretty hard to fail them I think unless you do something baltant like going through a stop sign. Query - has anyone failed their full class 6 licence? Or know of someone who has ? My impression is that they tend to figure that if you've hung round long enough to get through the learner and restricted stages and are still riding, you can't be too bad (cos if you were you'd be dead, or frightened off bikes). So they just follow you round, watch that you don't do blatant no-no stuff

[Deviant Esq]

Cool. All I really wanted to know was what was involved in the test, what was actually required of you, how much it costed etc, all the rest is pretty well common sense. I've been through all the tests for driving a car already (though it was about 6 years ago that I passed my full), so don't worry, I won't be playing silly buggers on my test when it comes around! All good advice just the same though

Can anyone tell me exactly what the course is called that shortens the necessary wait between each step in your licence? Advanced Motorcycle Handling Course or something?? And, would anyone know how much it'd cost, and who I'd go and see in Christchurch about doing it? Damned if I want to wait for 18 months until I can sit my full. Whether or not I keep with a 250 remains to be seen (somehow doubt it), but I'd like to be able to have the choice to get something bigger if I feel the need.

[OMG]

It was the CBTA course that allowed you to shorten the wait, but they've been canned now, sorry you're gonna have to wait the 18 months

[Stevo]

It was the CBTA course that allowed you to shorten the wait, but they've been canned now, sorry you're gonna have to wait the 18 months

The Doity Fookin Busteds

[Danboy]

Can someone please tell me what a CBTA is?

CBTA = Competency-Based Training and Assessment

Quoted from LTSA Website.

"The land transport safety authority (LTSA) and the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) are starting an initiative for new riders of motorcycles that looks at a different approach to driver licensing. This scheme is called Competency-Based Training and Assessment (CBTA). This initiative is for a limited period and is restricted to approved riding instructors.

CBTA involves new riders undertaking specified courses with specifically approved riding instructors. The instructors will give riders training and progressive assessments to ensure they consistently demonstrate safe riding skills. On successfully completing the course, the new rider will be able to pass to the next stage of their license without having to sit a practical riding test."

Cheers,

D.

[Ixion]

Unfortunately, the CBTA trial has now been stopped, and the CBTA licence route is no longer available.

It appears that some of the providers need to update their websites.

[mdb]

I think you'd have to go at 70, because you are still on a learner licence, and only allowed to go 70, even in a 100km/h zone.

I know of 2 guys who were failed on their full test because they did more than the 70km their license permitted when on the open road! Lucky they both did it in the weeks before me so I didn't have any issue with it.

A trick I would recommend is go to a license centre outside of your local area (I lived in Welly and did my test in Upper Hutt. This meant the cop only gave me directions a couple of blocks at a time. It also let me say to the cop (who thought I was a little apprehensive at times), that I wasn't familiar with the area or the intersections (which he believed and was true)!

[Rosie]

I know of 2 guys who were failed on their full test because they did more than the 70km their license permitted when on the open road! Lucky they both did it in the weeks before me so I didn't have any issue with it.

A trick I would recommend is go to a license centre outside of your local area (I lived in Welly and did my test in Upper Hutt. This meant the cop only gave me directions a couple of blocks at a time. It also let me say to the cop (who thought I was a little apprehensive at times), that I wasn't familiar with the area or the intersections (which he believed and was true)!

But aren't you allowed to do 100 on a restricted licence? Now I'm confused

[Drum]

Just book your test for during the morning rush hour. You're nice and alert, but traffic stops you from speeding. No lane splitting though!

Well for 20 mins anyways

[Deviant Esq]

But aren't you allowed to do 100 on a restricted licence? Now I'm confused

Nicely picked up.

There's bugger all difference between a learners and a restricted licence as far as bikes go. On your learners you:

• Must only ride a bike 250cc or under
• Must wear a Learner plate at all times (must've fallen off...)
• Must not exceed 70km/h (Um, and be run over by Mums in RAV4s and trucks alike?!?)
• Must not ride between 10pm and 5am (Sure, must be safer at 8pm in traffic and darkness than 12am minus traffic...)
• Must not carry a pillion passenger

Restricted licence means you get to do 100km/h (well, legally), and you don't have to wear a Learner plate any more. The other three restrictions still apply. For another 18 months (if you're under 25). There should be a riding course for a day or weekend or something that allows you to reduce the wait a little. 2 years stuck on a 250 and not allowed out after 10pm? Too old for bedtimes for one, and had my bloody full car licence for 6 years anyway, so why allow me out any time in a car but not on the bike?
Anyway. Looks as though I'll just have to wait.

What's involved in the full test then?