
Originally Posted by
kickingzebra
Apparently there isn't much love lost...
I was considering argueing with you on a sound and reasonable basis, are you up for it?
To start with, you cite several character deficiencies with the man, let me see,
1) He is a has been
2) He is not a mekanic
3) He was lucky to have clever people working for him
4) His race bikes are as rough as guts
5) He has the gift of the gab
6) He tells people to f**k off
7) His riders don't win races
8) He has no formal training.
Traditional format for argument is point, rebuttal, point, but i'm sure you know that, BTW, you are already down on the rebuttal.
For the record, I have talked to Shaun for a grand total of 15 minutes, if that, and I have met a great variety of smooth operators (with the bad connotation) At face value, Shaun hasn't appeared to be any of these to me, hence it seems fair to ask for substantiation to your claims.
1) He is a has been
Irrelevant, and unable to be substantiated.
2) He is not a mekanic
Niether am I, but I have still had engines in parts, and then back together in working order, so your point is?
3) He was lucky to have clever people working for him
If we could all have clever people working for us, we would not only be lucky, we would be extremely successful. I want to be successful, so having good people working for me, by luck or other means is a must, and a good thing, whichever way you put it.
4) His race bikes are as rough as guts
OK, but most racebikes go down at times, and then if you want to continue racing, you need to fix them using whatever means neccesary. I have a bike in my garage that is rough as too. If he was selling them as brand new bikes, or selling them as the ultimate shiny race experience, then I can see problems, but, on the track, his riders, where is the problem? That could be an indicator of his work on peoples machines, but that seems unlikely, as a builder, often my own work is rougher than what I would accept on other peoples jobs. If it is for yourself, then functionality is perhaps more important.
5) He has the gift of the gab
A highly desirable traight in some peoples books. It is amoral by itself.
6) He tells people to f**k off
Must contrast greatly with point 5... Has anyone on this site never once told someone to piss off, or remove themselves from ones presence by other verbal means? Maybe not the nicest thing to say, but hardly damning in todays society.
7) His riders don't win races.
That is between him and them, but mainly themselves. racing is an individual sport, so if they aren't winning, maybe they need to re think their career paths, or continue practising until greatness finds them.
8) He has no formal training.
Niether do I, and I intend on staying that way. I'll be in good company. Legend has it that out of the ten richest men on the planet right now, only one of them has a degree (and he is lucky enough to have the privelidge of working for Bill Gates, you know, the guy whos stock portfolio trades more than New Zealands annual GDP every day.)
Personally, if I wanted to work in McDonalds, I would go straight there, rather than waste time spending 30 or 40 grand to get a degree, so I can work there or somewhere similiar, where a huge percentile of post graduate degree students end up, or in jobs completely unrelated to their field of study.
University is a proving ground. You get to prove you can drink, and still wake up early enough to attend lectures. You get to prove you can regurgitate other peoples thoughts. You also get to prove that you can be a unique individual in society, just like everyone else.
What are we all waiting for.
My synapses is you are hoping the negative vibe in your posts will do all the work for you. Even the most low level trash magazine reporter knows a story works better with a little fact.
I am not caught in his web of deceit, but you haven't exactly entwined me in yours either. Try harder.
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