Biker fatality on SH16

[Finn]

NORTH!

Magnetic or True Lou?

[Ixion]

Well Ixion thinks it's safe and he's higher rank than you so you'll just have to retrench.

Eh? I never said that. It obviously *wasn't* safe, cos he's dead!

I just said that 140 was not an absurd speed leading up to the corner. Which it's not. Speed itself is seldom dangerous. If he was doing 140 (and we're not really sure of that) then one of his errors was not backing off for the corner soon enough. The NZ biker thing of blatting round the corner at whatever speed the corner can handle, not allowing for hidden danger on the other side. But the 140 was probably on the stretch leading into the corner. Faster than I'd do , cos I'm nana's nana, but not unreasonable .

[MadDuck]

Whats wrong with that? Maybe there right and your not?
Where you there Lou? I didnt see you, you shoulda come up and said hi.

Saying Hi at an accident scene just dont seem quite right. We rode past this tradgedy minutes after it happened. Stopped by the truck driver waving his fluro. Hoped like hell it wasnt a KBer but then any rider down or hurt is not a nice thing to see. If you attended SM then I take my hat off to you fellas. It was not a nice scene to come across.

We seem to have a need to analyse eveything to death. At the end of the day it could have been any one of us heading up the hill. What if we hadnt stopped for gas.....??? This guy left three kiddies and a wife/partner behind. I am sure it wasnt his intention when he set off to kill himself or hurt any other bikers.

It was an accident. They do happen.

[Scorpygirl]

Saying Hi at an accident scene just dont seem quite right. We rode past this tradgedy minutes after it happened. Stopped by the truck driver waving his fluro. Hoped like hell it wasnt a KBer but then any rider down or hurt is not a nice thing to see. If you attended SM then I take my hat off to you fellas. It was not a nice scene to come across.

It was an accident. They do happen.

Thanks MD - Yes accidents do happen and all of us can analyse on KB. Sometimes even the cops cannot ascertain any cause. In one case 27 pages!!!!! The conclusion we cannot ascertain what happened. Just leave it be and let the family and friends grieve!!!

[Lou Girardin]

Yes and yes. Do you actually understand the offence? There is no obligation to accelerate to normal traffic speed 'quickly', hell otherwise every big rig, grandma and people mover full of 10 illegals would be ticketed.

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Quickly is relative, the obligation is to not hold up traffic unnecessarily. That obligation is slightly different for a car as against a B train.

[Lou Girardin]

Whats wrong with that? Maybe there right and your not?
Where you there Lou? I didnt see you, you shoulda come up and said hi.

We just stopped to see if was one of us, then I recognosed one of the Trumpy guys. Then we buggered off before the cops turned us around. I don't like to get in the emergency guys way when they're busy.
What was the chick in the 'co-responder vest?

[Lou Girardin]

This has gone on enough I guess, but here's my last theory.
If the car didn't turn from a driveway, the accident possibly started at the previous corner which is much tighter and has less vis. He was confronted with the slow moving car, misjudged the closing speed and clipped her. He then travelled down the wrong side of road trying to control the bike when he saw the two Triumphs round their corner, grabbed the front brake and tucked the wheel, we know the rest.

[APPLE]

condolences to this mans family....R.I.P

[Pixie]

I don't know about that Motu, the only reason I don't take that at more than 120 odd is to allow for dicks pulling out of Kanohi Rd.
But uphill is way more fun.

If you'd seen as much diesel running down that section of road as I have,you wouldn't be so cavalier

[SwanTiger]

I think it just emphasis the fact that 140kmp/h should be the maximum speed anyone does on the open road. There are over 1 million road users in New Zealand and most of them are in the North Island. Public Roads are not race tracks (unless you live in Whangarei) and should be treated as such.

If you want to go over 140kmp/h that is what racing was invented for.

I'm only saying this because my bike struggles to go over 140kmp/h, if I had a much larger bike I think it'd reach much higher speeds. However in having such a slow bike and seeing the result of speed from much larger bikes it just emphasis the lack of ABILITY and SENSE people have.

Crashing is a skill in itself, inevitable if you are going to speed on public roads.

I think we all need to go and play First Person Shooter action games to improve our reaction times.

[Pixie]

This has gone on enough I guess, but here's my last theory.
If the car didn't turn from a driveway, the accident possibly started at the previous corner which is much tighter and has less vis. He was confronted with the slow moving car, misjudged the closing speed and clipped her. He then travelled down the wrong side of road trying to control the bike when he saw the two Triumphs round their corner, grabbed the front brake and tucked the wheel, we know the rest.

I wonder why everyone seems to think their theories of what happened is actually more valid than the actual eyewitness report of two bikers that actually saw the accident as it happened?

btw did any one see the impatient bitch in a north bound car who nearly ran over the unconscious Saint rider's legs,because she didn't want to wait for the survivors to get up off the road?

[Ixion]

Dunno that I'd go that far. There are roads (and bikes) where 140 is nothing much.

And on a big enough bike, higher speeds seem "easier".

As someone noted, the higher the speed the faster it all goes wrong. But if we took that to its logical conclusion we would not exceed 20kph.

We ride bikes because we're not the sort of people who will never do anything dangerous.

Given a fast enough bikes there are many roads where I'd feel safer at 200kph than I do at 80 on the Auckland motorway on a wet Friday night.

The right speed for the conditions. Picking "right" is the skill .

(Don't think any more theories are needed, we just had to figure out where it happened)

[SwanTiger]

btw did any one see the impatient bitch in a north bound car who nearly ran over the unconscious Saint rider's legs,because she didn't want to wait for the survivors to get up off the road?

Saw that last night at a T-bone accident at an intersection.

Heard the scretching of the brakes, turned to look and watched a 4X4 plow into a little white jap station wagon. White car looked written off.

Traffic still sped past at around 60 - 70kmp/h (in a 80kmp/h zone) while the passenger of the white car dragged the driver out and cradled him on the road.

"HOW DARE YOU CRASH AND HOLD ME UP, I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE BLEEDING, I PAY TAXES, GET OFF THE FUCKEN ROAD"

The mentality of Aucklanders ..

[James Deuce]

As someone noted, the higher the speed the faster it all goes wrong. But if we took that to its logical conclusion we would not exceed 20kph.

Dead right. Your brain is designed to respond almost instantly at speeds up to 20km/hr. Anything over that is called planning ahead.

But if we ignored trying to go over 20km/hr we'd never have reached the moon, or crossed oceans.

[James Deuce]

Yeah we would've, just woulda taken fuckin ages thats all.
(Think Maori fellas in there canoes, they made it here from Hawaiiki)

Maori mostly came here through the SE Asian - Thailand - PNG - Melanesia land route from Taiwan over a period of 80 years.

Isn't DNA a wonderful thing.