Biker fatality on SH16

**Merwood** · 8th May 2006, 21:35

R I P to the bikers that passed away

This sucks.......keep safe everyone

**NodMan:Me** · 9th May 2006, 09:06

Originally Posted by Indoo

Geez how does a biker fatality equate to yet another Police thread. Theres enuff of them around without polluting this one surely.

What I heard the poor bugger clipped a car and was then run over by the car, he went into cardiac arrest and was unable to be brought back.

Must have been horrific for the car driver as well as his two companions.

That didn't stop another guy from doing a runner on 16 only a couple of hours later at 150km+ which was instantly abandoned due to his manner of riding, unfortunately for him his plate was noted by the cops before they attempted to stop him. Hope anyone from here would have had more sense and respect.

Agree with your sentiment mate but suggest that this is not the TIME to speculate as to what happened...maybe a court case will follow this.

my thoughts are with his wife and kids and the injured riders.

I saw a (non KB) idiot also that day out that way, will discuss in sep thread.

**Swoop** · 9th May 2006, 09:47

Originally Posted by Indoo

That didn't stop another guy from doing a runner on 16 only a couple of hours later at 150km+ which was instantly abandoned due to his manner of riding, unfortunately for him his plate was noted by the cops before they attempted to stop him.

The cop that we were having a little chat with, that afternoon, said that he got the plate rego of the runner and was going around to lock him up that night...

...just hope he had the appropriate plate on...

**Pixie** · 9th May 2006, 12:33

Originally Posted by T.W.R

The news tonight said the biker had hit a parked car then collided with other bikes ? the images showed a older triumph (70s trophy or similar orange colour) & a crunched up what looked like a VFR700 interceptor

Condolences to all concerned

For what it's worth it's a particularly dodgy set of bends that lull people into passing etc.and then running into slow traffic and vehicles passing in the other direction.
I live up the hill and never underestimate this section of road.

BTW The people that were diverted back through waitoki and waiwera.....If you went down kanohi rd,100 metres from the accident,you would have got back on SH16 10km north.
You know who to blame for that

**Pixie** · 10th May 2006, 10:14

I ‘ve spoken to the rider of the Triton,(Barry). The rider of the Honda came round the bend,heading south,at around 140 kph, and encountered a local’s car that had just come out of a driveway.The car was as far to the left as possible.The Honda locked up it’s front wheel and clipped the car with it’s rear end.It ran into Barry’s mate,Peter,on a Triumph Saint.The Honda and the Saint completely destroyed each other’s engines.Peter is in hospital with a broken pelvis (3 places).
The Honda rider was launched into the air and landed on his head in front of Barry on the Triton.Barry ran over him and fell off.The Honda rider probably died of a broken neck.
Barry’s friend Lynley gave CPR to the Honda rider, but was fairly sure he was already dead.
The Triumph riders were doin 80 kph

Both the Triton and the Saint had tanks with “Ball Catcher” racks fitted,and both riders experienced the effect these accessories can have.

The ambulance was attending a cycle race on Kahikatea Flat rd, and arrived 6 minutes after the accident.

Barry was particularly lucky.He normally leads and could have been in Peter’s position.

**Lou Girardin** · 10th May 2006, 14:26

That clarify's it a bit. A cage mostly at fault. Yet again.
She would've had 100 to 150 metres vis in the Hondas direction before she pulled out.
Still, our lives are cheap really. Not worth having a second look.

**Jantar** · 10th May 2006, 15:35

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

That clarify's it a bit. A cage mostly at fault. Yet again.
She would've had 100 to 150 metres vis in the Hondas direction before she pulled out.
Still, our lives are cheap really. Not worth having a second look.

Originally Posted by Pixie

The rider of the Honda came round the bend,heading south,at around 140 kph, and encountered a local’s car that had just come out of a driveway.The car was as far to the left as possible..

At 140 kmh the Honda rider is going close to 40 meters per second. For the cage driver to actually pull out of the driveway and be in his lane and as far left as possible would take more than 3 seconds, so would need a lot more than a mere 100 - 150 visibility. Also being as far left as possible means the cage driver was doing everything right. The cause of this accident is due to poor riding by the Honda rider. Target fixation perhaps?

**Ixion** · 10th May 2006, 15:41

"Able to stop in the clear distance of road ahead" ?

Interesting difference in speed between the Triumphs and the Honda.

As a matter of interest does anyone know if there is a recommended speed signposted for the corner involved ? (I know they are very understated, but it would be interesting to know)

**Lou Girardin** · 10th May 2006, 15:48

So she had up to three seconds to check to her left BEFORE she moved, that's well long enough to check thoroughly. This was a 100 km/h area remember, she should have realised that vehicles are moving fast.
More likely she glanced left, "didn't see him, mate" and drove out.
Just like what happens to us all the time.
If she doesn't wear a careless causing death, there's something wrong.

**Lou Girardin** · 10th May 2006, 15:50

Originally Posted by Ixion

"Able to stop in the clear distance of road ahead" ?

That cannot apply where a vehicle fails to give way.
The requirement to give way is absolute.
The riders speed may be a mitigating factor, but not the cause.

**Ixion** · 10th May 2006, 15:54

I'm not clear on where the car was in relation to the bike. Did the car actually pull out in front of the bike? or was the car already on the road and proceedingly slowly when the bike came round the corner (and found a slow moving vehicle in front of him).

(I realise that probably none of us know - that I guess is what the crash investigators will figure out.)

**SwanTiger** · 10th May 2006, 15:59

Originally Posted by Jantar

The cause of this accident is due to poor riding by the Honda rider. Target fixation perhaps?

I think that you are jumping the gun by accusing the Honda rider of being the cause of this accident due to poor riding. Most capable/experienced riders have much faster reflex capabilities than any other road user.

Even at a speed of 140 kmp/h I'd have trouble beliving that the rider could not slow down within 100 meters.

I'm inclined to believe, from the above details mentioned by Pixie, that the driver of the Car is responsible for the accident. However due to the fact the Honda rider was speeding the failure on the Drivers part will be overlooked.

At the end of the day someone made a mistake.

Consequences are a bitch.

**Jantar** · 10th May 2006, 15:59

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

So she had up to three seconds to check to her left BEFORE she moved, that's well long enough to check thoroughly. This was a 100 km/h area remember, she should have realised that vehicles are moving fast.
More likely she glanced left, "didn't see him, mate" and drove out.
Just like what happens to us all the time.
If she doesn't wear a careless causing death, there's something wrong.

No Lou, you can't pin this one on the cage driver. I'd assumed that she'd come out of a driveway on the same side of the road. ie she would've checked right and turned left. If as you imply she had crossed the road, then it would have taken her even longer, more like 6 seconds. If as you say she had an additional 3 seconds to check the road was clear before moving then the Honda rider would have needed to be visible 360 meters away.

I still maintain that if she was in her lane, and as far left as possible, then it doesn't matter whether sh had just come out of a driveway, or was just driving liesurely down the road, she was in the part of the lane she was supposewd to be in. The Rider is at fault.

**Pixie** · 10th May 2006, 16:06

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

That clarify's it a bit. A cage mostly at fault. Yet again.
She would've had 100 to 150 metres vis in the Hondas direction before she pulled out.
Still, our lives are cheap really. Not worth having a second look.

Barry couldn't remember the last seconds before the accident,but Lynley and Barry (another Barry) saw the whole thing and were quite emphatic that the car was not at fault.The honda rider failed to stop in time.

The honda rider was flat on the tank at the time too,not the best posture for complete control.

The corner is around 60 metres from the drive way the car came out of.

It could have just as easily been a stock truck crawling down the hill.

**Pixie** · 10th May 2006, 16:07

Originally Posted by Ixion

I'm not clear on where the car was in relation to the bike. Did the car actually pull out in front of the bike? or was the car already on the road and proceedingly slowly when the bike came round the corner (and found a slow moving vehicle in front of him).

(I realise that probably none of us know - that I guess is what the crash investigators will figure out.)

already on the road and proceedingly slowly when the bike came round the corner (and found a slow moving vehicle in front of him).