Uh-oh, this is bad, Andy is watching us, lads.

[Motu]

I blame you.

I'm a victim

[idb]

I didn't realise I was a victim until I watched Oprah one day.
Now I realise that nothing's my fault.

And..............I'm not a dick - I'm a boob.......grrrrrrrrrrr! (sorry, wrong thread)

[mstriumph]

I want to know exactly how many of the motorcycle fatalities occur on the road. Are all the accidents on farm bikes counted as motorcycle fatalities? A lot of the farm accidents are kids too young to get a license that aren't getting helmets.................

over here SCOOTER accidents are lumped in with bike accidents ..... and those twerps don't even have to sit a bike test

[Mr. Peanut]

The solution is obvious,

Crash more cars!

[Skyryder]

I'd like to know the age group of rider accidents and compare that to the same age group that are riding.

It does not take a rocket scientist to predict more bike related accidents when you take into account rising bike sales. Just how this relates to increased vehicle usage I'm not too sure. You would need some expert to interperate that.

Knackers seems to be implying that it is the older rider coming back on the bike that is at risk. After a layoff of say twenty odd years the older rider can just go and purchase the fastest bike in the shop. No retraining required etc.

If I read anything into his statement I'm picking that if you have not ridden say for twenty five years there may be some changes coming to limit the size of engine you can ride. It's a stab in the dark, but this is the second media statement that I'm aware of, where Knacker's is saying that older riders are at risk.

The recent changes in the Land transport Act gives both the Director and the Minister a lot of power to change the rules. If the Road Safety Stratergy 2010 looks like it wont deliver the targets get ready for some changes in biker land


Skyryder

[Ixion]

Difficult that to police though. How is anyone to say that Joe Blogs, who has held a bike licence for 20 years has not ridden in that time?

Only way to do it would be to require retesting at (say) 10years intervals, and assume that those who were not "using" a licence would not bother with the retest.

But would they do that for bikes and not cars? They might, I think that the "endorsement" rights (passenger , tester etc) "expire" and have to be retested. But it would be a contentious call, given that they have just announced the dropping of the over 80 retest. (Incidentally I wonder if anyone has sat an over 80 test on a bike?)

[Skyryder]

Difficult that to police though. How is anyone to say that Joe Blogs, who has held a bike licence for 20 years has not ridden in that time?

Only way to do it would be to require retesting at (say) 10years intervals, and assume that those who were not "using" a licence would not bother with the retest.

But would they do that for bikes and not cars? They might, I think that the "endorsement" rights (passenger , tester etc) "expire" and have to be retested. But it would be a contentious call, given that they have just announced the dropping of the over 80 retest. (Incidentally I wonder if anyone has sat an over 80 test on a bike?)

Nope dead easy just through name and rego records. All done with a key stroke.

Land Transport Act 1998

152 Power of the Minister to make ordinary rules

154. Rules concerning driver licensing--- Without limiting the general
power to make rules under section 152, ordinary rules may---
(a) Put in place a system or provide for the licensing of drivers of
motor vehicles, including provisions for the issue, endorsement,
alteration, replacement, renewal, surrender, suspension, expiry,
and revocation of licences:
(b) Specify different requirements for drivers of different age groups
or experience, including requirements concerning the issue and
expiry of licences:

And this with a pen stroke as in the Minister's Signature.



Skyryder

[Ixion]

Yes, I do not doubt that IF they can determine which licence holders have not ridden for many years, they can put conditions on them.But, HOW do they do that.

How do they distinguish between Joe Blow, who got his bike licence in 1976 and has ridden every day ever since. And Fred Fink, who also got his in 1976, sold his bike in 1977, has never looked at a bike since, but now thinks he might take up riding again?

There is nothing in the licence regime that determines if you are USING the licence or not.

Possession of a bike is no determinator, you can own a bike wothout being licenced for it, and , conversely, ride without owning a bike. LEGALLY there is no connection.

[Skyryder]

Yes, I do not doubt that IF they can determine which licence holders have not ridden for many years, they can put conditions on them.But, HOW do they do that.

How do they distinguish between Joe Blow, who got his bike licence in 1976 and has ridden every day ever since. And Fred Fink, who also got his in 1976, sold his bike in 1977, has never looked at a bike since, but now thinks he might take up riding again?

There is nothing in the licence regime that determines if you are USING the licence or not.

Possession of a bike is no determinator, you can own a bike wothout being licenced for it, and , conversely, ride without owning a bike. LEGALLY there is no connection.

They make the rules. They change the rules.

If you can not prove bike ownership by way of registration for say twentyfive years the assumption will be made that you have not owned a bike for twentyfive years.

This is different from riding you mates bike on occasions.

Personaly I think any licence change (on the subjct in hand) is bullshit.

But the Act 'does' allow changes to be made and this is the second time I can recall one A Knackers refering to older riders as more likely to have accidents.
Now there may be stats on this I don't know. Could be just a warning shot to some of us older riders to slow down. Shit any slower and I'm walking. One thing I do know is that LTNZ seem to dream up new ideas to keep themselves employed.



Skyryder

[Streetwise]

Who is the Kiwibiker that is now in the LTNZ.???

[Hitcher]

Who is the Kiwibiker that is now in the LTNZ.???

Does it matter? It is up to that individual to name themselves, should they wish to do so.

[vifferman]

Who is the Kiwibiker that is now in the LTNZ.???

...and did he have to adopt a silly name like Knackersack, or was he chosen because he already had one?

[Streetwise]

Does it matter? It is up to that individual to name themselves, should they wish to do so.

OK then how can i contact this person,??? Oviously they are motorcycle friendly and it would be good to have the contact inside LTNZ..

[Hitcher]

OK then how can i contact this person,??? Oviously they are motorcycle friendly and it would be good to have the contact inside LTNZ..

Agree 100%. But it's up to that person to make themselves known. If you have a general enquiry, just contact LTNZ through the normal public channels.

[Streetwise]

Well thats handy isnt it,??. Been there done that.

sssshhhhh secret squirell.