Those cheesecutter/wire median barriers

[scumdog]

Russel ?

HE was there too??

It was so busy that I never saw him, maybe he was behind a cheese-cutter.

[spudchucka]

C'mon spud, you're saying that we are responsible for the actions of any cage bound moron who "didn't see ya mate".
Are you setting up for a job at Transhit when you perf?

All I'm saying is that to go from an appalling record of fatal and serious injury crashes to none means that the thing must be doing what it was intended to do. I don't have any problem with it for that reason alone. I certainly wouldn't want to crash into one if I'm riding a bike but then I don't routinely fall off my bikes and I take considerable care around any hazard, including those placed to save others from their own stupidity.

BTW I can't perf, we have a different super scheme now and perfing doesn't apply to those of us grafted into the system after the government super days.

[spudchucka]

A cheescutter on a two lane road!

Two lanes, one in either direction with the cheese cutter as the median barrier.

[spudchucka]

my reference to the cutter on the left is the ew Waikato Expressway or whatever it is called.

It has that shit everywhere!

I agree totally that being surrounded by this stuff is not a good idea. On the Kapiti coast hwy it seems to be ideal.

[scumdog]

KB attitude: I'll climb onto a machine which by design is dangerous BUT put anything dangerous near me and hoo-boy! look out, I'll whinge to the world about it. and want it removed to protect me from my inferior riding abilities.

[WINJA]

KB attitude: I'll climb onto a machine which by design is dangerous BUT put anything dangerous near me and hoo-boy! look out, I'll whinge to the world about it. and want it removed to protect me from my inferior riding abilities.

I HATE TO SORTA AGREE WITH YOU BUT THESE GUYS DONT SEEM TO GET IT , MOTORCYCLES ARE DANGEROUS ,WIRE BARRIERS ARE JUST ANOTHER DANGER TREAT IT WITH DUE CARE AND BEAR IN MIND THEY ARE THERE TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE MASSES AND IN THOSE MASSES IS THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT, THERES SO MUCH RESISTANCE TO A GREAT MOVE ON TRANSITS BEHALF IM SUPRISED THEY CAN DO ANYTHING WITHOUT COMPLAINTS

[WINJA]

my reference to the cutter on the left is the ew Waikato Expressway or whatever it is called.

It has that shit everywhere!

I THINK THERES A DROP OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WIRE ISNT THERE? ILL CHECK NEXT TIME , BTW THAT EXPRESSWAY IS A REAL ACCIDENT BLACKSPOT AND NEEDED SOMETHING , LOTS OF FUCKERS HAVE DIED BETWEEN HAMS AND AUCKS SO EXPECT MORE WIRE BARRIERS , ITS NOT SPEEDING TERITORY ANY WAY , GO THE BACKWAY 22 ETC

[R6_kid:Me]

Now all we need is a Mech Engineer at uni to do a study on it! Gareth_D?

I'm doing computer science - im not smart enough to be doing engineering at the moment.

[sAsLEX]

I THINK THERES A DROP OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WIRE ISNT THERE? ILL CHECK NEXT TIME , BTW THAT EXPRESSWAY IS A REAL ACCIDENT BLACKSPOT AND NEEDED SOMETHING , LOTS OF FUCKERS HAVE DIED BETWEEN HAMS AND AUCKS SO EXPECT MORE WIRE BARRIERS , ITS NOT SPEEDING TERITORY ANY WAY , GO THE BACKWAY 22 ETC

The drop aint that bad , on the large passing lane heading north and down hill before the new expressway I think it is just bushes to the left, and once you go around the gentle level towards the new stretch is is a small drop on the side but not a very bad one

I'm doing computer science - im not smart enough to be doing engineering at the moment.

no offence but you dont really look like a Compsci nerd, more a Civil or Mech Engineer

[Lord Derosso]

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If you are heading towards the Hutt valley over the Haywards Hill you are in for an even bigger treat. One lane, down hill, left hander with cheesecutter. A minor slip here and you are f'ing dead mate.

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I have only been from the Hutt to SH1 over Haywoods several times the last three odd months and havent seen them. I presume you mean towards the end coming down the hill towards the main Hutt motorway intersection then? If so then I understand your point. If you are going up the hill you tend to keep left and hit a passing lane pretty quick so theres no real danger at all but that hill is very steep.

[Wolf]

I've said before on these forums that I hate cheese cutters and the narrow alley up near Rangiriri gave me the shits even in the cage and I'd prefer they used something else as a barrier but, fuck it, I wouldn't want to hit whatever that was, either.

When I'm on the bike there are a lot of stationary hazards that I would not like to hit. I wouldn't want to plow into a tree or crash into some farmers 5-wire fence - especially if it had barbed wire on it, I would not like to hit a power pole or a parked vehicle, nor would I like to crash into a concrete barrier or even a metal one. Cheese cutters are just one more thing I would not want to hit and I will do my best not to just as I do my best not to hit any of the other numerous hazards I encounter.

OK, there's a chance that some dumb fuck in another vehicle will do something to force me into a cheese cutter and there may be nothing I can do to stop it but I'd be just as dead if they forced me into a tree, a power pole or the concrete side of a bridge.

There are other things I do not want to hit:

Oncoming vehicles.

Barriers help lessen that risk. They are there to prevent people from crossing the centre line due to excessive speed or lack of control on corners and to prevent retards from deciding that the yellow line is only a suggestion and that they can safely pass.

Sure, I'd prefer they built the barriers out of something else but there's no magical guarantee that I would survive hitting whatever else they put up.

Concrete, metal and plastic barriers are no more "safe" to hit than 100km/h is "safe" to crash at. I could die hitting an Armco barrier just as easily as I could die highsiding into the tarmac at 50km/h. Either could horribly maim me for life.

It is my responsibility to take all the care I can to avoid whatever hazards are around me, including any idiots in other vehicles. If I fail in that, there is a high risk of serious injury or death - ya pays ya dollar, ya takes ya chances - anywhere on the road, not just in cheese-cutter ally.

[Ixion]

I struggle with the logic of this.

The purpose of the cheesecutters is that vehicles shall hit the barriers , rather than continuing across the centre line

If motorcycles hit these barriers , the results will be lethally disatsrous.

The solution propounded for this is thta motorcycles should make sure that they do not hit the barrier.

But the same care that will prevent hitting the barrier would also prevent motorcycles crossing the centre line.

But, if motorcycles can avoid hitting the barrier by exercising care, and must do so , then why cannot other vehicles exercise the same care, and also not hit the barrier . And , by the same logic as motorcycles if they can avoid hitting the barrier they can avoid crossing the centre line .

Therefore rendering the barrier unnecessary.

If it be responed that motorcyclists are capable of avoiding such centre line wandering, whilst other vehicles are not, then the solution is simple. Toughen up on licence issuing and enforcement, so as to raise the standards of other vehicles to those which Transit , in effect, demand of motorcycles. Why should Transit be allowed to demand a higher standard of competance from one class of road user than form others (of course, we all smugly cry that we are indeed more competant. A doubtful claim, but one at any rate that it is not valid for Transit to rely on)

This is logic you see.

[scumdog]

Ixion, take the licence and car off everybody that runs off the road for the first time - the bus companies will love it and the roads will be safer.

Drivers licences are a gift at present - a poorly trained Barbary ape would fare better at the test than most that attempt it.

[Ixion]

Um, based on the number of bikes in ditches, such a policy extended also to motorcyclists might mean many of the latter on the bus also?

[Wolf]

Because cagers are mostly cock-heads, Ixion.

No amount of "CAUTION! REDUCE SPEED", or temporary speed, signs are going to convince some people to slow down in dangerous areas, yellow lines do not stop some people from deciding they'll "chance it". The barricades will stop those who took the corner too fast from crossing the centre line, they will also stop people from trying to pass where it is unsafe to do so (not many cagers would be willing to attempt to pass someone by deliberately driving through a barrier). Pretty soon even cagers will start learning to slow down and exercise the control of which you write when they encounter the barricades.

The barricades - be they concrete, steel panels or wire - are there to (first) prevent accidents by indicating there is danger here and (second) minimise the damage should accidents occur.

I'm cautious riding or driving near any barricade.