Those cheesecutter/wire median barriers

**Badcat** · 27th May 2006, 07:11

Originally Posted by Wolf

Tread carefully? Where was the disrespect in agreeing that Motu has little need for SH1 with a quite respectable adventure bike?

At this moment I do not have a bike, but it is my hope to have one soon - I've been without a bike of my own for nearly two years now and occasionally borrowing one of my friends' bikes is not an acceptable substitute.

oops - sorry, i thought you were having a dig at xt500s.
my humblest apologies.

k

**mdb** · 27th May 2006, 07:21

Originally Posted by WINJA

its design just won an engineering award , good thing to cause if youve seen the footage they work and they are saving lives , good on transit , the only knockers were those that said its to slow to be put up but you cant please everyone

I'm not sure how these would stop a truck, if it hits at the wrong angle it is just going to rollover into the other lane. Isn't that why the concrete ones have to be a cetain height? Also, again I could be wrong, don't they just deflect cars back into their own lane? Wouldn't this mean the loony who just swerved to miss you (because he was paying attention to something else and not driving), is just going to hit the wire barrier and get tossed back into you (now completely out of control)?!

**scumdog** · 27th May 2006, 08:21

Originally Posted by mdb

Wouldn't this mean the loony who just swerved to miss you (because he was paying attention to something else and not driving), is just going to hit the wire barrier and get tossed back into you (now completely out of control)?!

Only if you started off to one side and slightly behind the loony - and then he wouldn't have to swerve would he?

If you were on front of said loony you would stay on front of him (unless you hit the brakes just as he hit the barrier), - hitting the barrier is not going to add 25kph to his speed - although it might SEEM like it to the loony.

**raster** · 27th May 2006, 09:32

I'm all for the median barriers and if they are the form of cheese cutters then so be it.
what I don't like is cheese cutters down both sides of a single lane road on a right hand bend, coming through there the other day and reduced my speed a little the cager behind reduced his following distance exponentualy(sp), I had nowhere to go!!!!!!!

Scarry bit of road.

Obviously preventing the traffic from having a head on with those high speed sheep.

**WINJA** · 27th May 2006, 10:00

Originally Posted by mdb

I'm not sure how these would stop a truck, if it hits at the wrong angle it is just going to rollover into the other lane. Isn't that why the concrete ones have to be a cetain height? Also, again I could be wrong, don't they just deflect cars back into their own lane? Wouldn't this mean the loony who just swerved to miss you (because he was paying attention to something else and not driving), is just going to hit the wire barrier and get tossed back into you (now completely out of control)?!

I THINK YOULL BE SUPRISED AT WHAT THEY STOP , BUT EVEN THEN I DONT THINK THEYLL STOP EVERYTHING BUT THEYLL STOP 99% OF STUFF , ITS ALL ABOUT THE ODDS ITS STILL BETTER THAN NOTHING

**Wolf** · 27th May 2006, 11:56

Originally Posted by Badcat

oops - sorry, i thought you were having a dig at xt500s.
my humblest apologies.

k

No probs. No digs, I like road-trail/adventure bikes.

**sAsLEX** · 27th May 2006, 13:28

Originally Posted by scumdog

They may be stretches 800m long - but are they long enough for a GN125 two-up when they decide to overtake? (if you get my drift, i.e. they are designed for the lowest common denominator which is NOT an R1!!)

Fuck it lets replace all white lines with Yellow then, as in this county the lowest common denominator is fairly bloody low!

**Motu** · 27th May 2006, 14:06

The lowest common demoninator is two trucks passing....and both doing under 100 kph.

**Ixion** · 27th May 2006, 14:09

Just so. Which highlights the futility of using yellow lines or any other than "Beware, hidden danger".

How can some bureaucrat say that this stretch of road is not long enough for my R1 , or Ferrari, to overtake this tractor doing 15kph?

The present mania for yellow lines everywhere has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with the control freak mentality of the LTSA.

**sAsLEX** · 27th May 2006, 14:58

Originally Posted by Ixion

The present mania for yellow lines everywhere has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with the control freak mentality of the LTSA.

*cough* SH2 *cough*

its yellow the whole bloody way

**XP@** · 29th May 2006, 11:23

Apologies for the crappy quality of the vid, but it's only a cellphone camera.
Just imagine it's raining and the view is about accurate.

What I could not get over what the lack of warning. The only notification you get is 2 small arrows on the barrier. I would suspect it is not too difficult (stupid, all the same) to find yourself on the wrong side of the line.

The vid was taken heading south, where there is a lot of room on the left. North bound, the left hand side is a nasty curb.

**Edbear** · 29th May 2006, 11:30

Well done, XP@! Like to see more amatuer vids on here for all sorts of issues! Don't worry about the quality, not important!

**Ixion** · 29th May 2006, 11:48

I see what you mean. Why don't they have to have reflective or fluoro tags on the wires?

And, more pertinently, if thta is the stretch of raod that started this trhead, then I can see no justification at all for the barriers.

It seems a perfectly adequate road, no different to great numbers in the country.

How long I wonder before we have cheese cutters all around the Coro loop? The coast road from Thames is certainly trickier than the road in the video.

These barriers are like the yellow lines that seem to be spreading across every road in the land. They are a response not to any safety issue, but to the control freak mentality of the LTSA, who figure that the easiest way to prevent overtaking accidents is to prevent any overtaking at all.

**XP@** · 29th May 2006, 12:06

I don't think it has been mentioned but the road in the vid is an 80km/h zone

The reasoning behind it, and the 80 zone is too many deaths on the road. and when there is a fatal it is the only way up north so the traffic clogs up for hours.

To my knowlege the fatals have been caused by drivers travelling on or slower than the speed limit crossing the centre line.

I am kinda glad there is something there to stop a line crosser, but I would like to:
1. know that it is coming up,
2. be able to see it
3. have some protection against it should I hit it.