Could the lack of discipline be the problem?

[Big Dave]

I ALWAYS wanted to learn to play the drums when I was a kid but my old man is a music teacher.

Gold.

How do you know there is a drummer at the front door?

His hat says 'Domino's'.

[Paul in NZ]

I ALWAYS wanted to learn to play the drums when I was a kid, my old man is a music teacher... Anyway I was told that "girls" dont play the drums and I was made to learn the violin and piano neither of which I can play now. Its obviously my fathers fault that I am such an angry person now. Thanks Jim!

Probably explains why you like to hit things now (with your bike). Probably some sort of repressed rage....

[Lou Girardin]

By and large I think the young folk today are as respectful and polite as any of my generation were at their age, perhaps more so, and the youth of today is certainly more "mature" (though I hate that word) .

So why do rugrats annoy me a lot more now than 20 years ago?
Or is it just advanced grumpiness?

Seriously though, I wonder at parents sometimes. They'll let their darlings run around the shop, completely out of control, and there's all the pointy stuff on bikes that they could impale themselves on.
It hasn't happened yet, but it's only a matter of time.
Then there's the folks who think sitting little Damian on a $60,000 bike and letting him wipe his sugar laden hands all over it is just great to keep them amused.

Nah, we were much better kids. Too scared of a kick in the arse not to be. (At least when parents were around)

[Str8 Jacket]

What's stopping you now? Nothing.

Yeah, ive been thinking about it. I have quite a few mates that play and have drum kits, its just finding the time to learn! And to be honest im not the best student in the world, im too stubborn!

[chickenfunkstar]

I believe that in todays world so much is available, and with peer pressure one thing leads to the next, alcohol then drugs (or sex then drugs). Sure not every kid is going to go down that path, I know a lot of NZ teens that don't and never have taken drugs... If a kid is drinking (to the point of getting drunk on a regular basis) at 14 or 15, by 16 chances are they've already had sex (unprotected most likely), by 17 they are into drugs, and by the time they are 19 and ready to really start living thier life with all the great oppertunitys a country like NZ has to offer (education, travel etc) they are already trapped. They have already experienced most of lifes little pleasures, the mystery and excitment in life is now small and dim... because the little pleasures are gone thats when the next generations "future" really starts to go down hill... life is too hard... working isn't fun... etc

How do you know all this? I probably started getting drunk on the weekends when I was 16, I don't have unprotected sex, I don't take drugs (bar nicotine, alcohol and occasionaly BZP or E) and I'm just about to finish my degree. I'm looking foward to the future. My friends who do take drugs don't pressure me into taking them and I don't think any less of them for taking them. Most of my friends are more or less like me in terms of experimenting with drugs at a youngish age. You and I are roughly the same age and I really don't see things the way you do. What makes you think this is the way it is?

[Ixion]

So why do rugrats annoy me a lot more now than 20 years ago?
Or is it just advanced grumpiness?

Seriously though, I wonder at parents sometimes. They'll let their darlings run around the shop, completely out of control, and there's all the pointy stuff on bikes that they could impale themselves on.
It hasn't happened yet, but it's only a matter of time.
Then there's the folks who think sitting little Damian on a $60,000 bike and letting him wipe his sugar laden hands all over it is just great to keep them amused.

Nah, we were much better kids. Too scared of a kick in the arse not to be. (At least when parents were around)

Yes, terminal grumpiness I fear. But are not the annoyances you specify to be laid at the door of the parents rather than the children. After all, as a child I would certainly have run round a bike shop quite out of control, had no one said "no". Though perhaps i would have been too busy pushing the shiniest bike out into the street to try and ride it.

Children will be children , as they ever were. 'Tis not reasonable to expect them to be little adults always. And then they get to be teenagers and as mad as maggots. As we were. Well, I was anyway. Maybe you were a well behaved one.

[Big Dave]

So why do rugrats annoy me a lot more now than 20 years ago?
Or is it just advanced grumpiness?

Ahhh waita till you getsa da little bambino grandkiddes Uncla Louie.

[Ixion]

How do you know all this? I probably started getting drunk on the weekends when I was 16, I don't have unprotected sex, I don't take drugs (bar nicotine, alcohol and occasionaly BZP or E) and I'm just about to finish my degree. I'm looking foward to the future. My friends who do take drugs don't pressure me into taking them and I don't think any less of them for taking them. Most of my friends are more or less like me in terms of experimenting with drugs at a youngish age. You and I are roughly the same age and I really don't see things the way you do. What makes you think this is the way it is?

See. So much less , ah "adventurous" than my generationw as at that age. We were insane. Rather glad I'm not a young person now, sounds quite boring.

[The Stranger:Me]

What's stopping you now? Nothing. There are heaps of chicks playing drums for a living, from the Sublime Cindy Blackman to the Ridiculous Meg White, so there's nothing to stop you taking it up. I have a mate who is a superb teacher if you are interested.

Why Ridiculous?
The White Stripes are awesome.

Anyway, there is something about a chick on the dums.
I could watch the Corrs for hours.

[Str8 Jacket]

Why Ridiculous?
The White Stripes are awesome.

Yes, but that bloody doorbell song drives me insane! The last time I was so dissapointed with a band was when the Chillis did that f-en Rollercoaster song!

Anyway, sorry for the highjack Placid...

[placidfemme]

How do you know all this? I probably started getting drunk on the weekends when I was 16, I don't have unprotected sex, I don't take drugs (bar nicotine, alcohol and occasionaly BZP or E) and I'm just about to finish my degree. I'm looking foward to the future. My friends who do take drugs don't pressure me into taking them and I don't think any less of them for taking them. Most of my friends are more or less like me in terms of experimenting with drugs at a youngish age. You and I are roughly the same age and I really don't see things the way you do. What makes you think this is the way it is?

You asked a question and the answer is in what you quoted:

Sure not every kid is going to go down that path, I know a lot of NZ teens that don't and never have taken drugs...

And that applies to alcohol and sex too...

[Big Dave]

I could watch the Corrs for hours.

Yes - although not always listen to them - Which one is the hottest, but? (or butt)

[The Stranger:Me]

Yes - although not always listen to them - Which one is the hottest, but? (or butt)

The drummer of course...

[Big Dave]

The drummer of course...

I'd like a fiddle er the fiddler.

[chickenfunkstar]

You asked a question and the answer is in what you quoted:

Sure not every kid is going to go down that path, I know a lot of NZ teens that don't and never have taken drugs...

And that applies to alcohol and sex too...

Yeah, I read that, but "sure not every kid is going down that path" makes it sound like most kids are going down that path and i'm in a minority for not doing so. I was trying to make the point that most people I know are like me. I.e. I'm in the majority.

You seem to make sweeping generalisations which I don't believe are true at all. I don't really know where you get them from.