BMW in MotoGP...it's real!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Possibly have with the K1200S & K1200R ....... try and get one with out waiting. They are very different ... an IL 4 cylinder.... for BMW.

And it's good to see mate!
Laying a four cyl engine long ways on it's side like they did with the 'Flying Brick' was just like I said earlier.....different because they wanted to be!
It wasn't (and isn't) a good idea, but yeah, they did it and tried to justify it as being 'different'.
Everybody else knows if you want a 'four', you put it across the frame, or make a 'Vee' (or yeah, even a 'square')!

[Ixion]

Possibly have with the K1200S & K1200R ....... try and get one with out waiting. They are very different ... an IL 4 cylinder.... for BMW.

Not really.BMW have been making in line water cooled 4 cylinders for over 20 years. All they really have done is turn the engine so it is transverse instead of longitudinal . (It is a brand new engine of course, but the concept is much the same as the "other" K1200) .Of course there is a lot of innovation in the new K bikes, but it's really just building on their previous line. They really are the new generation of K bikes, not something radically new. The original K, now that WAS a tremendous change ,from the boxers. As was the F650. hence those models got new model numbers , K and F.

The other thing that BMW have done of course is to make their styling much more conservative. Bikers by and large are pretty conservative follow the leader people - they don't take kindly to standing out, not being one of the crowd. So the more conventional styling will itself be a mainstremaing move.

[Kickaha]

Gee, you're right mate.
Fact is, you can stop harder on a non ABS equipped bike if you know what you're doing.

And how many motorcyclists do know what they're doing when it comes to emergency braking? I'd bet money that the majority would stop far quicker on a ABS equipped bike

Simply put, In my not so humble opinion, there comes a time in every 'road riding' motorcyclists time, that it's better to lock up a wheel and put it down, than it is to ride straight into something solid cause your ABS wouldn't let you do it.

But ABS might let you ride around it

[chris]

I also said that they may well KILL YOU TOO!

"may well kill you" ??

You state here that it will kill you.

But it'll KILL you !

Maybe I'll still slam into it.Maybe I won't.But on a bike with ABS? YOU WILL.!

Your tractor pulling out scenario is purely hypothetical. In the real world, in a real situation such as you have described, there would be many more factors involved that may, or may not, decide the outcome.

I find it hard to understand your vehement dislike for a motorcycle brand simply because of the technology they use in their products.

[chris]

BMW in MotoGP can do nothing but good. I don't think BMW have failed in any form of motorsport they have taken part in.

[Two Smoker]

Then they make the M3 CSL at 400 bhp? and 3.3 ltrs?

(400/3300) x 990 = 120bhp (M3 CSL)

(800/3500) x 990 = 226bhp (F1 Car)

Rossi's M1... 250bhp...

I think it would be awesome to see BMW in motoGP... Just too see what they can do...

[chris]

(800/3500) x 990 = 226bhp (F1 Car)

and 1250bhp per ton

(Rossi's M1... 250bhp...)

about 1600 per ton....

[Biohazard]

Fook me - after reading this thread and the little boys banter about ABS on bikes (my bikes better than yours bollocks). I honestly beleave I have wasted 5 minutes of my life.

FFS if ya want a pissing contest do it on ya own time...crashingtitfuck or what ever ya name is...i dont think anyone gives a shit you have ridden nearly every bike BMW have built...i certainly dont and seriously why would you admit to it anyway ???

Titatnium " I knew a girl who worked at an airport - she really knew how to keep her cockpit clean"

[Lou Girardin]

"Tis funny, I've heard all these arguments against ABS when it was first introduced in cars. Now, how many cars DON'T have it.
ABS will save your arse from that first panicked grab of the brakes, and then allow you some chance of avoiding the threat.
Choosing to 'lay it down' assumes that plastic and metal has a greater friction co-efficient than tyres and brakes.
And if you have enough time to 'lay it down' you have enough time to brake.
In fact, you almost never here someone saying that these days, it was common back in the 60's when digging pointy bits of your bike into the road probably did slow it better than the brakes of the day.

[Crasherfromwayback]

"may well kill you" ??

You state here that it will kill you.



Your tractor pulling out scenario is purely hypothetical. In the real world, in a real situation such as you have described, there would be many more factors involved that may, or may not, decide the outcome.

I find it hard to understand your vehement dislike for a motorcycle brand simply because of the technology they use in their products.

Well of course (and hopefully only ever will be) it's hypothetical.
I don't like any products that cost more to purchase and service when they perform no better than other brands.
Why would I?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fook me - after reading this thread and the little boys banter about ABS on bikes (my bikes better than yours bollocks). I honestly beleave I have wasted 5 minutes of my life.

FFS if ya want a pissing contest do it on ya own time...crashingtitfuck or what ever ya name is...i dont think anyone gives a shit you have ridden nearly every bike BMW have built...i certainly dont and seriously why would you admit to it anyway ???

Well first of all, I was in my own time.
And you obviously can't read that well, because you wasted five minutes and missed the point that I was told "I probably haven't even ridden any BMW's"
Hence my reply.
I didn't realise you couldn't have a good old debate/argument here.
Tossbagwhatever your name is.

[Fooman]

(400/3300) x 990 = 120bhp (M3 CSL)

(800/3500) x 990 = 226bhp (F1 Car)

Rossi's M1... 250bhp...

I think it would be awesome to see BMW in motoGP... Just too see what they can do...

F1 engines are now 2.4 litre V8's having been 3 litre V10s for the past few years. They make about 750 hp (at 19000rpm!), so:

750/2400 x 990 = 310 hp for a 990cc, or 250 hp for 800cc. It is the advantage of V8 valve/piston area to displacement and a bucket load more money and technology (e.g. pneumatic valves, more exotic materials allowing them to spin faster).

FM

[Biohazard]

Well first of all, I was in my own time.
And you obviously can't read that well, because you wasted five minutes and missed the point that I was told "I probably haven't even ridden any BMW's"
Hence my reply.
"Shame im a gay boy though"
I didn't realise you couldn't have a good old debate/argument here.
Tossbagwhatever your name is.

Personal insults is not a good start m8ty i wont even waste the time with a retort.

Get a sense of humour............ "I WAS TAKING THE PISS"

[Lou Girardin]

(400/3300) x 990 = 120bhp (M3 CSL)

(800/3500) x 990 = 226bhp (F1 Car)

Rossi's M1... 250bhp...

I think it would be awesome to see BMW in motoGP... Just too see what they can do...

Comparing a road engine with a full 3 year warranty with the highest examples of race engine builders art?

Let's not forget the Honda S2000, 120hp per litre too.
Then there's litre bike engines.

[Crasherfromwayback]

FFS if ya want a pissing contest do it on ya own time...crashingtitfuck or what ever ya name is...i dont think anyone gives a shit you have ridden nearly every bike BMW have built

Gee mate, got it wrong again....looked a bit like a personal insult to me....