Now they have gone TOO far methinks...

[The Stranger:Me]

91 children killed (murdered) in NZ between 1991 and 2000.

We are worst in the OECD developed countries for child abuse.

How do we respond.

I know, I know, lets ban smacking, that will fix it...

[Flatcap]

I just dont get it... its almost as though the family are a pack of "unfeeling" animals. It makes me sick.

Not 'almost' mate, they are just that...

[Paul in NZ]

This is not a topic I wanna get drawn into ... BUT from what I have seen and heard I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 'perpetrators of the crime' are put forward as being the older siblings... which effectively means that the family will 'get away with it' cos the kids won't have to do time...(???)
The whole business is sickening.

Yup - my feelings too, didn't want to know about it and almost felt that the poor little buggers were better off dead but...

Nope - it aint right! If an older sibling is pushed forwards .. so what? There is a responsibility in being a parent and an adult. This IS a civilised country and if you don't want your kids there are a LOT of options. Murduring them by neglect is NOT one of them!

These scum have had every agency in the country running around after them. Stuff it, they have gone too far. Sorry, it's NOT all about them!

Like in the film 'Clockwork Orange' we have to ask if the price of freedom of choice means tolerating idiots like these? Personally I don't think they are worth it. Crimes against children like this (at the worst end) are unforgiveable. These people deserve NOTHING but contempt and a culture that protects them and does nothing for the victim deserves to be bypassed by evolution. Sorry, those comments got my goat big time!!!!!

Bad business...

edit - How the hell can poor old Peter Ellis get chucked in jail for some sort of airey fairy mythical 'satanic' abuse of kids in the ChCh Civic Creche case for a billion years when these morons can commit the ultimate abuse and get away with it thus far. Poor little buggers!

[Beemer]

One law for them and another for us......

I'm sorry, but if the family had been white middle-class citizens, someone's sorry arse would have been thrown in jail by now. This PC culturally sensitive bullshit really irritates me. Considering how many Maori abuse their own, we should be even harder on them in circumstances like this - bugger giving them time to grieve, a bloody double murder has been committed.

Do the parents and other family members not care that one of their own is responsible for killing two very young and innocent babies?

Throw the whole rotten family in jail until someone thinks enough time has passed for them to tell the police what really happened. Preferably stick them all in one cell so they can withdraw a few more from the gene pool.

And WINJA, while there can be tragic accidents when a young person is left in the charge of even younger siblings, the twins died of massive head injuries. Both of them. I can understand one accident, but TWO? And if it was the result of a genuine accident, surely the family would want to clear this matter up quickly to avoid suspicion falling on them?

[Jamezo]

Yet another case of only in NZ.

Unfortunately, this is what NZ wanted so hah fucken ha. Socialism busting at the seams with ideology is like a nasty slow eating cancer. It goes completely unnoticed at first, then subtly starts showing it's ugly head. In most cases your fucked but there is a small chance that if you catch it early enough, the damage can be reversed. Might be too late in NZ's case.

Ugga bogga ateaahrowah.

Finn, don't forget Helen Clark!

Have you forgotten? Her, and the Labour Party, and a culture of socialism are all responsible for every single negative isolated incident!

[Cookie]

I'm sorry, but if the family had been white middle-class citizens, someone's sorry arse would have been thrown in jail by now. This PC culturally sensitive bullshit really irritates me. [...]

Yep - if my kids were killed, I would WANT to talk to the Police. If I didn't want to talk, they would drag my lily-white ass to the station and there would be none of this "when I am ready" bullshit.

FFS what the hell is going on here?

[Finn]

Finn, don't forget Helen Clark!

Have you forgotten? Her, and the Labour Party, and a culture of socialism are all responsible for every single negative isolated incident!

Fuck off lefty. Get back to work so you can support the Kahui family.

We are worst in the OECD developed countries for child abuse. Isolated incident? Good one dumbass.

[Deano]

Fully agree with what was said earlier about doing the lot of them for obstruction or conspiracy to subvert the course of justice......blah blah blah

Throw the book at all concerned and set a precedent. No half arse sentencing either.

[Ixion]

Fuck off lefty. Get back to work so you can support the Kahui family.

We are worst in the OECD developed countries for child abuse. Isolated incident? Good one dumbass.

Well, this is the sort of thing you inevitably get if you have a capitalist right wing, shirker rights government. Now, a Communist government, very different. Hm, unproductive worker. In fact, non-worker. Very bad. No one has the right to evade their duty to the state. Take your choice, labour camp or a bullet. Killed future comrades? No choice, pass the bullet. Cheap, simple, decisive, certain.

[Winston001]

I'm sickened and angry about the needless deaths of these two little boys. That's bad enough but the wall of silence from the family speaks volumes about how much they really care - sod all. Lets protect ourselves, forget about the babies.

I'm impressed that Pita Sharples has been plain-speaking about this. He realises that this (unfairly) reflects on all Maori and simply reinforces racial prejudice.

However we cannot say a white family would have been treated differently. Everyone has the right to silence. No-one can be compelled to speak to the police. Black, white, yellow, purple, doesn't matter. Makes it bloody tough for investigators but that's the law.

What makes this case unusual is that in every previous child abuse case I can think of, family members have spoken to the police. Reluctantly maybe, but nevertheless the facts have been ascertained pretty quickly. Here there is an actual conspiracy of silence.

The police might end up having to charge the parents with failing to protect their children which is a long way from murder/manslaughter. What an appalling mess.

[Ixion]

I'm VERY vague about this, but does not a coroners inquest have powers (albeit rarely used) to compell answers about how a death occured?

[Paul in NZ]

I'm impressed that Pita Sharples has been plain-speaking about this. He realises that this (unfairly) reflects on all Maori and simply reinforces racial prejudice.

Well he was pretty keen to organise them some time to bury the kids but it looks like he is gutted they reneged on the deal and is pretty well washing his hands of it.

Good call not to turn this into a race thing, it's not. It's species thing, humans vs the non humans.

I sat next to a pretty full on lady the other day who's kids go to a Maori Language imersion school. English is not taught until they are around 7 or so and it's definately their second language. We had a good old chin wag about it and I reckon she was doing the right thing by her family giving them some firm grounding in who / what they are. She admitted that it's a LOT of work and sacrifice and that it gets too tough for a lot of the parents BUT like I said to her, at least those kids know they are loved enough for you to go without stuff for their future, if you give them nothing else, thats often enough! Support and love.

Contrast the love, work and effort this Maori couple are putting in to improve their kids lives and that of maori and then look at these scum bags...

Shame...

Hitler had one thing right, enforce neutering of the socially irresponsible.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm VERY vague about this, but does not a coroners inquest have powers (albeit rarely used) to compell answers about how a death occured?

I guess it would have to be mystic powers in this case..

[James Deuce]

I would've thought obstruction charges would have been pretty easy to bring, but maybe that would mean concurrent sentences for the real murderers when they finally (if ever) catch them.

I'm guessing the Police are wanting to get the right charges laid against the right people, and not have people doing less time for lesser charges.

[Winston001]

I'm VERY vague about this, but does not a coroners inquest have powers (albeit rarely used) to compell answers about how a death occured?

Good point. I think he can subpoena whoever he likes. Not sure what he can do if they won't answer questions though.