Police working to a quota?? Surely not...

[jimbo600]

Yeah, I know what you meant, I was just being a smart arse.

There are plenty of statutory powers of search including one to search for stolen goods, sections 314B, 224 & 225 for instance.

Of the Crimes Act?

[Lou Girardin]

This is the total crux of the issue of road policing and ticket quotas. Change the way the police are funded, take away the influence of outside agencies that have their own agendas and use their funding advantage to get the results they want from policing and you will solve "the quota problem".

Add to this, Police funding must be completely separated from Police revenue production.

[scumdog]

Add to this, Police funding must be completely separated from Police revenue production.

No worries, they'll probably cut the staff numbers to compensate though.

Or link the two through a 'back door' system, after all, how are they going to keep them separate, - money into Govt coffers - Govt pay Police....fairly hard to police (sorry about the pun, couldn't resist)

[Swoop]

If I say "Thanks Officer Scumdog" to the next officer that pulls me over, can I claim mistaken identity as I get pepper sprayed

Nope, TAZER trials are underway, thanks for volunteering though...

[Motu]

WoF inpectors work to a ''target'' too.LTNZ monitor our pass/fail rate - if you pass or fail too many they'll come and have a look at you - you need to pass some,and fail some,25% fail rate is good....I have a 50% fail rate....is that better?

[sAsLEX]

WoF inpectors work to a ''target'' too.LTNZ monitor our pass/fail rate - if you pass or fail too many they'll come and have a look at you - you need to pass some,and fail some,25% fail rate is good....I have a 50% fail rate....is that better?

Nice troll, surely someone like Contenential Cars would have a far lower fail rate due to economic positioning of their clientel compared to you!

[Ixion]

WoF inpectors work to a ''target'' too.LTNZ monitor our pass/fail rate - if you pass or fail too many they'll come and have a look at you - you need to pass some,and fail some,25% fail rate is good....I have a 50% fail rate....is that better?

Is the target rate the same for bikes as cars? 'Cos it shouldn't be, on account of bikes it's really hard to fail a WoF, so if a bike inspector was getting the "normal" fail rate applicable to cars, he would have to be being really cuntish.

[hsvboy06]

I find it amazing that so many people here say the cops are being too strict giving tickets for 112 km/h and the like. The speed limit is 100 and that is a MAXIMUM, not a target, so at 112 you're already 12% over the maximum. How much leeway do you want? The problem is that everyone thinks the cops give you a 10% tolerance, so now they just assume the maximum is actually 110, and then complain when they get caught doing 2 kmph over that. Get over it. If you can't control your speed within 10%, aim for 90.

I think the safest speed (especially on a bike) is the same speed as all the other traffic. As soon as you try and go faster (overtaking) you put yourself and others in danger, and I wonder what makes you think you have the right to put others like me in danger.

I'm sure that we all agree the road toll is too high. But frankly, if all the people that died were idiots speeding, driving drunk, etc then I couldn't care less. What upsets me is all the innocent people that get killed when the idiots crash into them.

I have never had a ticket for anything, and if I ever get one then I will be completely to blame. The only situation I would argue is if I got picked out of a line of traffic all doing the same speed. If everyone else would slow down, then we would all be safer.

The faster you go, the bigger the mess.

[hsvboy06]

...the only inititiave [to reduce the road toll] that will EVER work is the improvements in Vehicle safety , airbags etc. As well as this improvements in the actual roads

No, all those things will do is make people feel safer and encourage them to go faster. It's a vicious circle. Remember that the open road speed limit used to be 80 km/h, and (I assume) improvements in vehicle safety (they didn't improve all the roads) led to that being increased to 100.
The only thing that will reduce the road toll is if everyone learns to drive/ride within the limits of their vehicle, the road, the conditions and their abilities.

[emaN]

I think the safest speed (especially on a bike) is the same speed as all the other traffic.

hmm,
tell that to city couriers!

don't agree at all,sorry hsvboy.
safest & most pro-active way I ride & travel is a wee bit quicker than cages. i can then choose where to place my vulnerable safe where i deem safest.

(i think one of the UK bike mags covered this a while back,and came to the above conclusion too)

[Motu]

Nice troll, surely someone like Contenential Cars would have a far lower fail rate due to economic positioning of their clientel compared to you!

Just another perspective on ''targets''.They have more problems with the AVI's at new car dealerships than the guys working in State Housing areas - they are used to just writting out a WoF without even checking the vehicle...goes for bikes too.When the LTNZ audits these places they have a field day because naturaly half the ''new'' vehicles have faults no one has picked up.

[Lou Girardin]

I find it amazing that so many people here say the cops are being too strict giving tickets for 112 km/h and the like. The speed limit is 100 and that is a MAXIMUM, not a target, so at 112 you're already 12% over the maximum.
I think the safest speed (especially on a bike) is the same speed as all the other traffic. As soon as you try and go faster (overtaking) you put yourself and others in danger, and I wonder what makes you think you have the right to put others like me in danger.

I'm sure that we all agree the road toll is too high. But frankly, if all the people that died were idiots speeding, driving drunk, etc then I couldn't care less. What upsets me is all the innocent people that get killed when the idiots crash into them.

The faster you go, the bigger the mess.

Well done, LTNZ will be proud, you've swallowed their line, hook and all.
There is no way that 12 k's over the limit puts anyone in danger. The clowns that kill themselves (and it usually is just themselves) are doing a lot faster than that. But 75% of all tickets are for 11 - 15 km/h over.
And riding at the same speed as every homicidal cager just enables them to be more likely to involve you in their stupidity.
Thanks, but I'll continue to speed and avoid those morons. It's worked for me for 38 years and I've never hurt anyone, or myself.

[Quasievil]

No, all those things will do is make people feel safer and encourage them to go faster. It's a vicious circle. Remember that the open road speed limit used to be 80 km/h, and (I assume) improvements in vehicle safety (they didn't improve all the roads) led to that being increased to 100.
The only thing that will reduce the road toll is if everyone learns to drive/ride within the limits of their vehicle, the road, the conditions and their abilities.

Yes that is a point, however making vehicles safer does increse the safety of its passengers, the are some who will drive faster harder or whatever because they think they are safer but that is a small percentage, not forgeting the cops are going to go away? Driver education and safer cars will certainly reduce the road toll more effectively than the police will do, there is no argument against this

[Quasievil]

Well done, LTNZ will be proud, you've swallowed their line, hook and all.
There is no way that 12 k's over the limit puts anyone in danger. The clowns that kill themselves (and it usually is just themselves) are doing a lot faster than that. But 75% of all tickets are for 11 - 15 km/h over.
And riding at the same speed as every homicidal cager just enables them to be more likely to involve you in their stupidity.
Thanks, but I'll continue to speed and avoid those morons. It's worked for me for 38 years and I've never hurt anyone, or myself.

The reason there is a margin is to allow for the variations in vehicles speed readings, tyre sizes etc etc etc .
cars are all different and the speedo is never accurate, even on a bike.
Thats why you think you were doing 110 but were doing 120 and so forth

[scumdog]

I say privatise the Traffic side of the Police - THEN you'll see some enforcement - tickets for 3km over etc, - nothing like REAL financial incentive to get a job done properly

Be straight down the line like the tax department, no 'warning' 'cos that would lose them money.

And then all the burglars and pedos would be caught no worries 'cos the Police could concentrate on them.

And KB would be well pleased with the rozzers.