Police working to a quota?? Surely not...

[Jantar]

First off there is no quota, I can issue as many notices as I like.

Now that i have your attention here is the way i see it.

I am in traffic enforcement and enjoy it. Reason being, how do your burglars, rapist and all other shitheads get around, they bloody drive. Do they walk down the road with your tv, video and other items in their car, NO.

I have had more arrest of burglars and other serious offenders than some of my mates on the front line. Why because I am mobile and can be anywhere at anytime as i have a set area but can cover other areas when required.

good to have a debate over these topics as it keeps everybody on their toes.

This is bullshit. In over 36 years of motorcycling and driving I have lost count of the number of times I've been stopped. A few of these have resulted in traffic tickets some of which were deserved. Not once, of all those times, have I been accused of being a burglar.

Perhaps we should ask everyone on here how many times they have stopped, compared to how many times they have been arrested for burglary.

[WINJA]

Perhaps we should ask everyone on here how many times they have stopped, compared to how many times they have been arrested for burglary.

ITS JUST ANOTHER PIG TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS USE OF OXYGEN, NOTICE THEIR BULLSHIT IS GETTING LESS BELIEVEABLE

[jimbo600]

First off there is no quota, I can issue as many notices as I like.

Now that i have your attention here is the way i see it.

I am in traffic enforcement and enjoy it. Reason being, how do your burglars, rapist and all other shitheads get around, they bloody drive. Do they walk down the road with your tv, video and other items in their car, NO.

I have had more arrest of burglars and other serious offenders than some of my mates on the front line. Why because I am mobile and can be anywhere at anytime as i have a set area but can cover other areas when required.

good to have a debate over these topics as it keeps everybody on their toes.

Thats utter bollocks. I've heard that crap before in relation to drug pushers too and its just wank. To catch a burg of a drugie you would have to search their car, now on what piece of legislation can you do that while issuing a ION?? And don't come back with the search without warrant thing under the misuse of drugs act as its got to be a pretty big call to use that one.

If you arrested me for stolen property while issuing a ticket and I wasn't arrested I'd walk.

What a crock of bullshit

[skidMark]

Of course they arent working to a quota. They are as honest as politicians, and as straight as Elton John

green rep given ahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahaa

[Skyryder]

Sometime ago I was scrolling in the LTNZ site and I came across a financial heading projected revinue from enforcement. Might not be those exact words but that was about gist of the heading. Don't rcall the figures and today when I tried to find the site with this info on the page had been removed. Anyone who has read the Governments Stratergy 2010 document can not but notice the buisness like phases that pepper this document. Goals, outcomes, stratergy, projections etc. In short the management of our transport system is run as a buisness. Now I don't have too much of a problem with that............but buisness have a projected cashflow...............and so does the LTNZ in respect of traffic enforcment. Now I don't care what it is called but it is a fact that a quota, projected revinue, or whatever does exist and is part of the overall financial accounting of the Ministry of Transport. A simple letter to the Minister asking for projected revinues for traffic enforcement for the current financial year will put this matter to rest once and for all. And if any one wants to get rely serious with this go back four or five years and ask for the projected figures as against 'real' revinue for the years copncerned.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

This is bullshit. In over 36 years of motorcycling and driving I have lost count of the number of times I've been stopped. A few of these have resulted in traffic tickets some of which were deserved. Not once, of all those times, have I been accused of being a burglar.

Perhaps we should ask everyone on here how many times they have stopped, compared to how many times they have been arrested for burglary.

Perhaps, though, past history may make a difference?

When a cop stops you he checks your licence and stuff (usually) , and I presume at the same time may get a "potted history" of your previous record. If the history is a few speeding tickets and such, then the cop's not likely to explore further.

But I know that if I were a cop; and I stopped a driver, checked his licence and found he had a whole string of previous convictions for drug stuff, burglary and so on; then I'd be giving that driver a good going over - what's in the back? where'd that stereo come from? What's that I can smell ? and so on. And it would not be surprising if such close attention to "subjects" with a record might well turn up some interesting finds.

[James Deuce]

Perhaps we should ask everyone on here how many times they have stopped, compared to how many times they have been arrested for burglary.

I've been interviewed once about noisy pipes and burgalled three times in the last 20 years.

[Jantar]

Perhaps, though, past history may make a difference?

When a cop stops you he checks your licence and stuff (usually) , and I presume at the same time may get a "potted history" of your previous record. If the history is a few speeding tickets and such, then the cop's not likely to explore further.

But I know that if I were a cop; and I stopped a driver, checked his licence and found he had a whole string of previous convictions for drug stuff, burglary and so on; then I'd be giving that driver a good going over - what's in the back? where'd that stereo come from? What's that I can smell ? and so on. And it would not be surprising if such close attention to "subjects" with a record might well turn up some interesting finds.

So why not save a whole lot of hassle and be more honest at the same time? Just make random visits to those people who have a past history and stop hassling the motoring public.

The way the police are using possible criminal activity as a reason for stopping generally law abiding citizens is in itself a travesty of justice.

Ixion, I would ask you to go back to your union days. How would treat an employer who penalised honest workers in the hope of catching one dishonest employee? The police stopping motorists in the hope of catching a criminal is stealing time (and sometimes money) from every motorist stopped.

[Ixion]

Well, I'm not sure that they are stopping motorists randomly to go on fishing expeditions.

But the difference between you being stopped for speeding, getting a ticket (or, if lucky, a tut tut and on your way); and Burglar Bill being stopped, also for speeding, and getting a through going over, lies perhaps in Burglar Bill's record.

You have no record, an honest citizen, the cop is not going to question you about burglaries. But if you were a cop and stopped a guy for speeding, and found he had (say) 100 previous convictions for burglary, wouldn't you ask some questions about the stuff in the back seat?

Which is quite a different matter to stopping motorists at random , on the off chance one of them might be a burglar. That, I also would strongly deprecate.

[scumdog]

If you arrested me for stolen property while issuing a ticket and I wasn't arrested I'd walk.

Sheesh Jimbo, what does THAT lot mean in plain english??

BTW Guys, thought I'd try this ticketing of 'innocent' speeding motorists tonight, first guy was doing 74 in a 50 area, smelled if booze, long story short he blew 1148, 5th time drink driving.

Wouldn't you rather HE was off the road??

Decided to call it quits after that and just stop druggies and burglars, I've got this special radar see.......

Never got ONE.

Back to the old speed radar tomorrow, it DOES detect speed unlike the special one which didn't detect a single druggie or burglar...


(Actually I lied, there is no special radar, I need WINJA to invent one so it is easier to catch druggies and burglars and can then leave innocent speeding motorists alone)

[Patrick]

Shite... another lying copper...just what WINJA needs...another excuse to have a go coz he's been so hard done by....

[Grahameeboy]

LIKE THOSE GUYS GASSING JEWS WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS

Sadly true.....fear was a major driver............bit different to the Police who I believe are following orders.

[Grahameeboy]

Sheesh Jimbo, what does THAT lot mean in plain english??

BTW Guys, thought I'd try this ticketing of 'innocent' speeding motorists tonight, first guy was doing 74 in a 50 area, smelled if booze, long story short he blew 1148, 5th time drink driving.

Wouldn't you rather HE was off the road??

Decided to call it quits after that and just stop druggies and burglars, I've got this special radar see.......

Never got ONE.

Back to the old speed radar tomorrow, it DOES detect speed unlike the special one which didn't detect a single druggie or burglar...


(Actually I lied, there is no special radar, I need WINJA to invent one so it is easier to catch druggies and burglars and can then leave innocent speeding motorists alone)

Lots or Green Reps for that..............

[James Deuce]

Wouldn't you rather HE was off the road??

I appreciate the sentiment of the rest of your post greatly. However he won't be off the road unless he goes to jail. Then when he's out he'll drive, license or no license.

It's a common theme in the creation of totalitarian dictatorships. The first thing that people lose is the freedom to travel without interference from the authorities unless there is proof that you need to be stopped and detained. People usually give up those freedoms under the guise of some need for the greater good of society. We (NZ) gave it away to drop a road death toll that hasn't appreciably diminished, and thanks to an increase in the number of drivers with minimal skills training on the road, will probably gently trend upward to match population growth.

In the meantime the only group of road users who care about improving the survivability of their chosen mode of transport, their favourite hobby, or more usually both, through rider training and active mentoring of relatives/friends/club members, continue to be pilloried for riding those "death traps".

The lucky politicians get to make convenient scapegoats out of the Police in the meantime, for both pratical "failures" in frontline Policing, and overall Policing policy.

Gee, I wonder why they struggle to recruit and retain cops?

[jimbo600]

Sheesh Jimbo, what does THAT lot mean in plain english??

BTW Guys, thought I'd try this ticketing of 'innocent' speeding motorists tonight, first guy was doing 74 in a 50 area, smelled if booze, long story short he blew 1148, 5th time drink driving.

Wouldn't you rather HE was off the road??

Decided to call it quits after that and just stop druggies and burglars, I've got this special radar see.......

Never got ONE.

Back to the old speed radar tomorrow, it DOES detect speed unlike the special one which didn't detect a single druggie or burglar...


(Actually I lied, there is no special radar, I need WINJA to invent one so it is easier to catch druggies and burglars and can then leave innocent speeding motorists alone)

Yeah read that again this morning, without a bottle of wine in me, and thought hmm thats crap English. I always speak more properly when I've been on the vino!