Police working to a quota?? Surely not...

**Skytwr** · 7th July 2006, 17:05

I see now we have moved to the number of cops on the street.

How about you guys and girls put as much affort into putting your view to your local MP's try and get the change.
Yea you can have go at the cop on the street for doing what he is told, mostly that they are just trying to get through the day with out any problems. In South Auckland we burn out cops at ahigher rate than other areas. Why because of the workload and the staff to population ratio. South Auckland is expected to have the population increase of Dunedin in 10 years but no substantial increase in Police, Fire, Ambo's and other much needed services.
Start emailing the MP's and give them the news that you are pissed off and want some action.

**The_Dover** · 7th July 2006, 17:15

But the pollies don't bite back as much.

**Finn** · 7th July 2006, 17:20

Originally Posted by Skytwr

How about you guys and girls put as much affort into putting your view to your local MP's try and get the change.

That is the funniest thing I heard in ages.

Call your local MP. Fucking brilliant.

**Ixion** · 7th July 2006, 17:53

Originally Posted by Skytwr

I see now we have moved to the number of cops on the street.

How about you guys and girls put as much affort into putting your view to your local MP's try and get the change.
Yea you can have go at the cop on the street for doing what he is told, mostly that they are just trying to get through the day with out any problems. In South Auckland we burn out cops at ahigher rate than other areas. Why because of the workload and the staff to population ratio. South Auckland is expected to have the population increase of Dunedin in 10 years but no substantial increase in Police, Fire, Ambo's and other much needed services.
Start emailing the MP's and give them the news that you are pissed off and want some action.

About two years ago I spent many many hours , and many stamps (with my local Ratepayers Assn President hat on) corresponding with the various MPs, the Minister of Police and the Police Commissioner. Seeking extra police for our area.

The result was a great big "get lost, the Commissioner of Police assures me that there are enough police to do the job.".

Not much point hitting up the MPs if the Police bigwigs reckon there's enough.

Maybe you need to take the point up with the Commissioner, through the Police Association

I can assure you that there will be NO trouble getting community support for more General Duties police.

**Indoo** · 7th July 2006, 19:52

Originally Posted by Squeak the Rat

Yep, you obviously know what I'm thinking.

As explained, I am arguing about the organisation. And that is exactly the point of this thread: lack of resources, or more specifically where these resources are assigned.

Chill out and check out my earlier post where I was asking some one not to make it personal about indvidual coppas.

Fair enuff, I have no problem people criticizing traffic policing etc and how resources are allocated, just looked to me like you were taking a dig where it wasn't warranted.

**Indoo** · 7th July 2006, 19:54

Originally Posted by Ixion

Maybe you need to take the point up with the Commissioner, through the Police Association

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3723646a11,00.html

"Police human resources manager Wayne Annan described the Police Association's claims as "a load of rubbish". "

At least I hope you got a cordial reply to your requests.

What area were you in btw?

**Grahameeboy** · 7th July 2006, 20:01

Originally Posted by Finn

That is the funniest thing I heard in ages.

Call your local MP. Fucking brilliant.

So little faith....I went direct to Minister and won.....yarboosucks to you......

**Finn** · 7th July 2006, 20:03

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

So little faith....I went direct to Minister and won.....yarboosucks to you......

The Civil Unions bill was going to get through anyway.

**Grahameeboy** · 7th July 2006, 20:12

Originally Posted by Finn

The Civil Unions bill was going to get through anyway.

Nothing to do with that Mr Finn.......but nice when you bite

**scumdog** · 7th July 2006, 20:37

Originally Posted by Ixion

Not much point hitting up the MPs if the Police bigwigs reckon there's enough.
I can assure you that there will be NO trouble getting community support for more General Duties police.

I notice you used the word 'reckon' instead of 'think' in the above sentence, very perceptive of you.

The second sentence I was glad to see too.

Face it, I'm in an unpopular job, I do it the best I can and if I upset a few doing it?? - Bad effing luck loser!!

Say what you want, I only reply to bait up the slack-jawed mouth breathing lack witted improvident oxygen-thieves that inhabit this site - oh, and the trolls too!
The rest I respect and don't dis.

Oh yeah, and the Fighting Cock tastes mighty good after a shit week at work!!

**Skyryder** · 7th July 2006, 22:35

Originally Posted by spudchucka

The current model has the police getting some $$$ from Govt, some from LTNZ, some from ACC, some from Local Authorities etc etc. Each outside agency that gives funding to the police expects to get their moneys worth, if the police don't deliver they don't get the funding the following year. Why do you think police bosses set targets for traffic enforcement? They have to supply returns to the agencies that fund them.

It is a fundamental problem in applying business principals to the day to day operation of a govt agency that is in effect a pseudo military organisation. In other words..... its a cluster fuck.

This is as Spud says is the current funding model. I posted reference to this somwhere,(might have been this thread) a few days back. I came across the link for this model and how it all worked a few months back, at about the time the Transport Ammendments came into force. It's also an example of how the Minister of Transport have isolated himself from any kind of responsibilies.
As long as both agencies operate within the relevent acts, policy regarding financial targets, outcomes etc are very much left to the agencies managers to achieve as they see fit. The public as a general rule has little idea that Government ministries are set up as buisness models. The health sector is the most widely known but this ideology applies across the board and the so called enhanced traffic enforcment is a direct result of policies from with in the Transport Ministry to acheive the targets set in Ministry's
Road Safety Stratergy 2010

In September 2002 the Minister of Transport, Hon. Paul Swain, announced the government’s new road safety goals of achieving no more than 300 fatalities and 4,500 hospitalisations per annum by 2010.
Government want their money back that they are spending to achieve a political goal. It's a self funding exercise that the public are paying so that the politicans can crow about come election time to convince us that they are doing something usefull in bringing down the road toll. It's nothing but a fucking crock.............and the sad thing is that the public in general are buying this. After all who is seriosly going to question this when it is about saving lives.

Skyryder

Skyryder

**scumdog** · 7th July 2006, 22:42

So let's all keep our speed down, stop at Stop signs, keep left, don't cross yellow lines, make sure our tyres have enough tread etc etc and it will screw the Govt AND give cops more time for dealing with real crime....

**Skyryder** · 7th July 2006, 23:59

Originally Posted by scumdog

So let's all keep our speed down, stop at Stop signs, keep left, don't cross yellow lines, make sure our tyres have enough tread etc etc and it will screw the Govt AND give cops more time for dealing with real crime....

The problem with that SD is there is an assumption that we can all be "perfect road users" all of the time. No matter how good a driver/rider we are human and as such perfection is unobtainable no matter how much effort and concentration is applied. Quota's, fianancial targets, etc fail to take that into account................and also make a mockery of police discreationary powers.

I think it is fair to say that most of us who have had a speeding ticket or some other infringment acknowledge their guilt..............as a fair cop if they are knowlingly in the wrong. It's the marginal calls or the so called attitude of the driver/rider when they rebutt the cops interpeatation of the offence that gets me riled.

Skyryder