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    Motorbikes more dangerous, campaigner warns

    I was reading through Stuff this morning and came across this article:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3722442a11,00.html

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    The recent rise in motorbike sales would inevitably mean a big increase in road deaths and injuries, a car magazine editor and road safety campaigner said yesterday.


    Clive Matthew-Wilson, editor of car buyers publication the Dog and Lemon Guide, said Land Transport New Zealand (LTNZ) figures showed motorcyclists were 40 times as likely to be killed or injured than a person driving a car.

    Motorbike registrations rose for the 27th consecutive month in June when 758 bikes were sold, according to LTNZ figures.

    There was a 45 per cent increase in motorbike sales since January, compared to last year, the figures showed.

    "High fuel prices mean there's a natural temptation to switch to two wheels but people really need to realise the risks they are taking when they ride a motorbike," Matthew-Wilson said.

    "In Britain, motorcyclists represent 1 per cent of traffic but 20 per cent of deaths and serious injuries."

    LTNZ spokesman Andy Knackstedt agreed and said the risk of injury and death was higher for a motorcyclist than a car driver.

    AdvertisementAdvertisement"There's no arguing with that.

    "It's basic physics. I mean if you're in a car you have got two tonnes of steel surrounding you, you've got airbags, and you've got seatbelts and everything else.

    "If you're on a motorbike, I mean even if you are doing everything right as the motorbike rider, if somebody pulls out in front of you and you are involved in a crash the only thing you've really got protecting you is your helmet."

    Matthew-Wilson said many of the people who were switching to motorbikes were young, inexperienced riders with little understanding of the risks they were taking.

    He said he was particularly concerned about the "mini chopper" scooters popular with young men.

    The height of these scooters meant they were largely invisible when travelling behind many higher vans and 4WD vehicles, Matthew-Wilson said.

    He said he thought it should be much harder to get a motorcycle licence than to get a car licence because of the higher risk riding a motorcycle posed.

    "The least safe car is still probably 40 times safer than the safest motorbike.

    "You can't simply allow young people to hop on to motorcycles after a couple of days training because the consequences are likely to be tragic."

    Mr Knackstedt said it took about 18 months for someone to get a full motorcycle licence.

    "You do have to sit a skills course and pass a practical test."

    But he said LTNZ also encouraged people to do more than the minimum that was legally required.

    "We encourage people to do safe riding courses, because the more you can do to protect yourself the better."

    Mr Knackstedt added that motorcyclists were not allowed to ride a motorbike with a large engine size straight away, but had to progress from a smaller one first.

    Matthew-Wilson – a former motorbike enthusiast – said he understood bikes could be "irresistibly enticing" and had a cool image.

    But he stopped riding after several major injuries.

    However, it was usually car drivers that caused the accidents, not motorcyclists, he said.



    This last paragraph kind of surprised me! Im also glad that they mention that Mini Choppers are dangerous... Do you guy's reckon that the figures they include in this article include scooters? If so why do they not list them as mopeds or scooters or are we always going to be grouped in with the scooters?
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    The scooter thing is a major concern. He says it only takes 18 months to get a bike licence, what he fails to mention is a large scale of these "motorcycle" sales are actually scooters which need no specific licence, apart from a car, to ride. And from my observations riding and driving around auckland scooter riders apear to skimp on important safety equipment as well.

    Easy answer, make Motorcycles a regerstration class and Mopeds/scooters another and then we will see what the stats say.

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    Why cant they say there were xxx amount of moped/scooter registrations and xxx amount of motorbike registrations. Or they could even do it by the cc rating 59cc and under and 59cc and over?
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    Scooters ARE motorcyclists,so are those wankers racing around on sportsbikes in the weekends and crashing everywhere.I'd like to divorce myself from them too....but we are stuck with the people who can't ride to their ability having ''accidents'' and bumping up statistics.Live with it - I see nothing wrong with the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    Scooters ARE motorcyclists,so are those wankers racing around on sportsbikes in the weekends and crashing everywhere.I'd like to divorce myself from them too....but we are stuck with the people who can't ride to their ability having ''accidents'' and bumping up statistics.Live with it - I see nothing wrong with the article.
    I see nothing wrong with the article either. My original question was do they include mopeds in the numbers for motorbikes and yes they obviously do as you say. I also have nothing against scooters, cruisers or any other type of "bike". I was just asking a question as I wasnt sure how they grouped us "motorcyclists". I was more amazed that the media actually admit that car drivers cause the majority of accidents which was more the reason I posted the story. Yes I know motorbikes are dangerous, but thats also part of the charm!
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    Article on the front page of the NZ Herald this morning. Same story really...still good to get a bike story on the front page 2 days in a row.
    May be some one at the AA and LTSA will figure we are a significant group of road users ( and growing all the time ). However a bitch, how come 99% of the riders of pitbikes / minichoppers I see on the road have next to no safety gear and ride with their lights off ? Hell they're the smallest things on the road, are they all invincible or something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket
    I was more amazed that the media actually admit that car drivers cause the majority of accidents !
    I don't admit car drivers cause ''accidents'' - that's a cop out,we need to vastly improve our riding skills and stop blaming other people for our own mistakes.

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    I'm with Motu here, but I am EXTREMELY dubious about the credentials of man who imports a Hindustan Ambassador as his private vehicle and then proceeds to lecture everyone via the Dog & Lemon guide about what car they should buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    I don't admit car drivers cause ''accidents'' - that's a cop out,we need to vastly improve our riding skills and stop blaming other people for our own mistakes.
    For sure, but this morning while riding to work in the rain a 4WD tried changing lanes into my lane while I was riding in the lane right next to him! This kind of thing happens all the time to me and while I accept that I need to improve my riding skills I get sick of going to brake everytime I go past an intersection with another driver waiting just cause they might pull out in front of me.
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    Matthew-Wilson – a former motorbike enthusiast – said he understood bikes could be "irresistibly enticing" and had a cool image.

    But he stopped riding after several major injuries.

    However, it was usually car drivers that caused the accidents, not motorcyclists, he said.
    So, by his own admission, an incompetant squid who crashed,injured himself and decides that "motorcyclies are dangerous". Not surprised he drives a Morris Oxford, he's found his level of competance.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket
    For sure, but this morning while riding to work in the rain a 4WD tried changing lanes into my lane while I was riding in the lane right next to him! This kind of thing happens all the time to me and while I accept that I need to improve my riding skills I get sick of going to brake everytime I go past an intersection with another driver waiting just cause they might pull out in front of me.
    Why? I always do, it's not a problem. No might, they WILL pull out in front of you. Just think of it as a challenge, like those computer games. I count 'em up as I ride to werk, haha , seven of'em tried this morning, mwahhah, you all failed sort of thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket
    But he stopped riding after several major injuries.
    This explains a lot. It must have been head injuries.
    NZ's self-appointed 'road safety' expert, who used to drive a Morris Oxford that he retrofitted airbags to. "It was much safer than modern cars because it was so strong".
    It says it all about this country, that they give this guy credibility.

    No-one has mentioned an increase in fatals for us though.
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    Stupidity kills people.

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    I bet they were up all night thinking of that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    Why?
    Cause I am an angry person, cause I get pissed of that other road users dont look, cause I get easily stressed, cause I wish that I could carry a gun on my bike.....

    A year ago I had never even driven a car on the road (bar once when I was 15). Before then I had never experienced road rage and inconsiderant drivers/riders now having been on the road less than 11 months while teaching myself to ride and learn the road code etc I have developed a major case of Road Rage! I never realised how many idiots (drivers and riders) were really out there, I reckon travelling around town is one of the most stressful things you can do, even more stressful than my job. I would just really love to be able to go out and just ride from A to B just concentrating on what IM doing not what the car up the road, in front of me, reversing out of that carpark or turning vehicle is going to do. Not to mention kids playing cricket in the middle of the road, but thats a whole different story!
    Me, I just look forward to the weekends when I can get as far from town as possible and just RIDE!
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