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    Fear not the 5-0 but the insurer

    I've long held the opinion that it was not the ticket, not the fine, not the demerits and not the disqualification that was worth worrying about. They are events that have attached to them fixed penalties and fixed timeframes. A fine is simple - pay the money and it's over. Demerits mean nothing unless you get over 100. And even when you do get disq, if you have my mentality, that just means you don't get stopped for X months. So none of these really have any impact on you as such.

    I've always said I was scared of my insurers. They are the ones who arbitrarily decide what my premiums will be, what my excess will be, and whether I can even get insurance cover in the first place. And it is on the basis of the driving history that they do so. And my driving history also impacts on my family, because after all we share vehicles so I have to be covered, and if the terms are adverse then they often have to suffer too.

    Since my driving history has always read like a novel (a legacy of the young man/fast car/bad attitude days), I've always ended up having lengthy and sometimes frustrating discussions with insurers. When my partner and I got serious and bought a "mutual" car a year or two back, we went with her insurer because she had a guaranteed no claim bonus for life. I got a $1500 excess and a nice clause saying if I got another ticket then I would no longer be covered. I figure if I'm at fault then I don't mind coughing up $1,500. And when we insured the 2nd car with them a few months later, the terms were continued. And when I insured the bike, the terms were carried over too. All fine by me.

    You may (or may not) recall a wee thread I started a few months ago where I outlined my ticket for lanesplitting. Since I was in a "good boy" phase, I stopped and took my beans. And never bothered contesting the ticket because I figured $150 tax was fair enough for two years plus of complete tax avoidance.

    So today when I rang my insurer to cover our third car, I was a good boy and when asked disclosed my ticket two months ago. I'm sorry, sir, we cannot cover you anymore. You now have no cover as a driver of any of the cars or the bike.

    First ticket I've had in probably 3 years (or more). A piddly little $150 fine for lanesplitting. Something many of us do, particularly the regular commuters. Now look at the consequences. What have I learned from this? Ironically I bear no malice against the police for this, but sadly they and the general public will also wear the consequences too, for the likelihood of me getting any more piddly little tickets is now all but zero.

    I share this for those who choose to read it. If you don't like my opinion, just remember no one forced you to read it.
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    It's a sad day when Insurance companies control your life - the lowest scum on earth telling you what to do...and you jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    It's a sad day when Insurance companies control your life - the lowest scum on earth telling you what to do...and you jump.
    hey shut the F#*K up and get under my car and fix it. i ant paying ya $12 an our for nothing

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    How many tickets have you had madboy? I have in the three years (since I got my licence) written off a $8000 audi, a $6000 motorbike, a $65,000 volvo I have had about 6 tickets from speeding to passangers on a restriced to running a red. I am still given insurance $1500 excess with a $800 yearly fee for a $5,500 motorbike.
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    The more I read about insurance companies, I more confirmed I am in my opinion that it's not worth having.

    I really don't understand why you are so worried about insurance. You are prepared to do a runner (I pass no judgement on that call) and presumably you have sufficent confidence in your ability not to be worried about the risk of injuring or killing yourself. Yet you are not confident of your ability to not damage the bike?

    Even if you DO have insurance it seems to me that there are so many weasel clasues in the policies that the odds are you won't collect anyway. So are you really risking anything more not having it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmo
    How many tickets have you had madboy? I have in the three years (since I got my licence) written off a $8000 audi, a $6000 motorbike, a $65,000 volvo I have had about 6 tickets from speeding to passangers on a restriced to running a red. I am still given insurance $1500 excess with a $800 yearly fee for a $5,500 motorbike.
    Yeah, but you had to fuck grahameeboy to get it!

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    Yeah but you had to fuck cibby to get yours....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    I really don't understand why you are so worried about insurance.
    Simple - if I crash, it's my fault. My ego and my conscience can live with forking out $10k to replace a bike. I'm not so keen on replacing a stolen bike. I also know that by writing off my bike, I can choose not to replace it if I can't afford to. I don't think Mr Richandinsuredman will be willing to wait 20 years while I scrape up $400,000 to replace his Porsche. It's all about how much risk I'm prepared to accept myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmo
    How many tickets have you had madboy? I have in the three years (since I got my licence) written off a $8000 audi, a $6000 motorbike, a $65,000 volvo I have had about 6 tickets from speeding to passangers on a restriced to running a red. I am still given insurance $1500 excess with a $800 yearly fee for a $5,500 motorbike.
    and you r 1 of the many who probably think the r a good driver.

    i suggest u invest some money in a driving course, preferably on a track. safer for me and my family

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    Get the wife to insure it. It won't be insured for you to ride, but at least it'll be insured for theft.

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    If you didnt do anything illegal in the first place you would be sweet as....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by igor
    and you r 1 of the many who probably think the r a good driver.

    i suggest u invest some money in a driving course, preferably on a track. safer for me and my family
    Nah im a shit driver but im keen, I crashed the audi when I was trying to get it sideways on the gravel and I crashed the volvo when I was going just a bit to fast for a corner. As for the bike that wasnt really my fault. I am a good rider just not that great behind a steering wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmo
    I am still given insurance $1500 excess with a $800 yearly fee for a $5,500 motorbike.
    I am paying $900/yr for a 750cc insured for $13K motorbike. I am paying $382/yr for my 400 which I insured for 7K!

    So you are paying through the nose, at least from my point of view. I'm am under 25.

    And I drove a car into a hill once. Made it fly up the road sideways landing on its side. Hilarious. On retrospect of course.

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    Yeah but being on my restricted makes heaps of diffrence and the fact that I had insurance on only my audi and motorbike. It took me 3 months to crash the car and 6weeks to crash the bike. So really its not all bad.
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    I guess this all depends on your insurer.

    I'm with Vero for Car, House and Contents, and with AMI for the bike.

    AMI have never asked me to disclose any tickets. I made a claim in April last year for the fire which destroyed my FZR750R. I reinsured with AMI despite the fact that I lost my no-claims bonus (50%) taking my payments up to $65 a month for my bike, fully comp insured for $5000 replacement (however they will pay market value - handy if it is written off and you can get a bike shop to give you a higher valuation).

    My policy on the RF900R came up for renewal this year in May, and to thank me for keeping my business with them they gave me back my 50% no claims bonus, so I pay $32 a month fully comp.
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

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