Why do young guys buy cars????

**JimO** · 15th July 2006, 16:48

Originally Posted by gamgee

well you were the one moaning about $3000-$5500 bikes being too expensive, if you actually read my post you'd understand what i was saying, you can't compare a sports bike which is what you'd be getting in that price range with a slow old car that you'd get for $1000, but you can compare it with the likes of a gn250 which you would get for around $1000, don't know how to explain it any better, maybe:
$3000-$5500 = shiny sports bike
$1000 = a car that does the job
$1000 = a bike that does the job
get the idea?

do a search on tardme gamgee and see what you can get in the way of a bike for a grand either a gn or not but i have a dozen cars at least for the same coinim not moaning that bikes are to expensive (except any 250 and then only because of licence restrictions) and i havnt found a gn for a grand either .........get the idea

**JimO** · 15th July 2006, 16:52

I have found a gn the bidding is at 800 ......see what they want for it eh

**gamgee** · 15th July 2006, 16:54

there was an alright looking sr250 (actually damn good looking) for a little over a grand I think it was about $1200 or so, and in dunedin, the other week, you just have to be patient

**IronicCapers** · 15th July 2006, 23:39

Well im an 18year old whos happens to want a road bike like theres no other thing that deserves attention. I got a car (hate it most days) i really want athe road bike and after years on the dirt bike and years driving a car(prelicense

). The fact that i have to spend $100 on basic handling, $80 on the license itself and then $1000 on safety gear(and thats jus for some of it) then another at least 3k for a good bike that has little or no problems. I find it incredibly hard to get that bike im a good person(so im told) so why are there so many hoops to jump through and my car is worth just less than a 1k after a wax.
Solve the traffic problem get on bikes. Solve the fatality problem put on more taxes and fines.
Although im more aware of the road after nudging a BMW while waving to a mate and looking in my two available mirrors while changing lanes(left one nudged off). Lets go back to the old days when you got both licenses at once or at least reduce the price when you get two or more at the same time.

BTW where is my bike??? Ive got the gear(some of it) an old tyre but the rest aint arrived yet. Better ask the parents i guess caus im not paid enough to save enough because the gas is to high for anyone to save(on low incomes), so plainly put unless i get more than 3 jobs i wont get far enough to reach the end of the driveway(bastards) and thats because i work harder than people older than me but i dont have there experience even though i could do anything put in front of me.

Whos next to do a bit of Bitching?

**gamgee** · 16th July 2006, 06:43

Originally Posted by IronicCapers

Well im an 18year old whos happens to want a road bike like theres no other thing that deserves attention. I got a car (hate it most days) i really want athe road bike and after years on the dirt bike and years driving a car(prelicense

). The fact that i have to spend $100 on basic handling, $80 on the license itself and then $1000 on safety gear(and thats jus for some of it) then another at least 3k for a good bike that has little or no problems. I find it incredibly hard to get that bike im a good person(so im told) so why are there so many hoops to jump through and my car is worth just less than a 1k after a wax.
Solve the traffic problem get on bikes. Solve the fatality problem put on more taxes and fines.
Although im more aware of the road after nudging a BMW while waving to a mate and looking in my two available mirrors while changing lanes(left one nudged off). Lets go back to the old days when you got both licenses at once or at least reduce the price when you get two or more at the same time.

ok lets get one thing straight, and it's about the third time i've said it, you don't have to buy a sports bike, you just want to, you could quite easily get into biking if you were willing to accept a cheaper alternative as you obviously were with your car

**DEATH_INC.** · 16th July 2006, 07:47

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I've got a 14 year old who thinks that he will go straight to bikes. As a parent who has driven cars all his life and only recently moved into bikes, there is no way I am going to allow him to do that.
My perpective is that until he learns road sense and has the ability to recognise the basics, such as cages changing lanes without indication, I want him in a car where the early mistakes are not punished by a hospital visit.
Yes he will end up on bikes and I will fully support him (unlike my parents when I was his age). But I do feel that he needs to learn to read the dangers of the raod in a safer environment, where he has some sort of protection, before venturing out on a bike.
I'm sure there are a lot of parents out there that feel the same way.

This is interesting......a lot here say everyone should be made to ride bikes before they get a car so they can learn road sense and respect before getting in that cage and trying to kill us......yet here we have a motorcycling parent who says the opposite.....
For the record, I rode bikes for about 5 years before getting my first car, and my brother has never had a car.

**thehollowmen** · 16th July 2006, 09:12

Originally Posted by Ixion

Presumably, these are well known long before any question of a licence, as a result of push bike experience? Or have they stopped teaching the Road Code at schools now?

Yes they have.
I don't think any school in New Plymouth (where I grew up) had road code type classes.

**Ixion** · 16th July 2006, 10:44

Gasrrgggh. Typical! One of the few useful things they taught in schools and they've dropped it!

That is so damn stupid.

and I suppose they don't have the cops come round any more, like they used to, and check the 11 and 12 year olds bike riding and Road Safety ? We used to have Road Safety classes.

See, there's a big difference. In my day, by fifteen, kids would have 4 or 5 years of roadcraft experience, and would have had a lot of input on Road code and safety from the police and parents and teachers.

**Hawkeye** · 16th July 2006, 10:56

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

This is interesting......a lot here say everyone should be made to ride bikes before they get a car so they can learn road sense and respect before getting in that cage and trying to kill us......yet here we have a motorcycling parent who says the opposite.....
For the record, I rode bikes for about 5 years before getting my first car, and my brother has never had a car.

As a parent, I will always want to protect my kids.
My 16 year old is the one with the common sense. He is about to take his cage restricted because that is what he wanted to do. However. Had he wanted to get on a bike, I would have been quite happy to take him out.
My 14 year old is the one who thinks he is bullet proof and invincible. Until he realises the dangers, I will not let him near the bike.
If you have seen any of my earlier posts on other threads, you will see that the bike I currently use is already lined up for the 14 year old. I just want him to understand that there are nutters out there who are trying to kill you and you need to be able to pre-empt that.

You only need to look at the previous posts by IronicCapers and Gamgee.
(I'm not having an attack at you Ironic, just using this as an example)
Here is an 18 year old who appears to only want a 'rocket' sports bike as a first bike. As Gamgee has pointed out 3 times now, you do not need that kind of bike as a first.
I see so much of my 14 year old in some of the young kids posts on here and until he realises and accepts the dangers, I want him protected by a cage.

I not saying that there is one rule for everyone. My decisions are purely based on knowing my own kids.

**geoffm** · 16th July 2006, 10:58

Another thing against bikes for youngsters - tried getting insurance recently? Bike insurance is bad enough anyway, and if you are a teenager, forget it.
Geoff

**Fub@r** · 16th July 2006, 10:59

Originally Posted by IronicCapers

The fact that i have to spend $100 on basic handling, $80 on the license itself and then $1000 on safety gear(and thats jus for some of it)

You can get a full kit of safety gear for under $1000 new.

If your not a victim of fashion go to the Motomail Outlet shop in Western Springs. Its open Wednesday to Saturday. I picked up a full kit at nearly 50% off. Total cost was $750. The helmet I got for example had a $450 retail and I got it for $170

Basic skills test can be done for $65 (test only)

**pixc** · 16th July 2006, 11:04

Im keeping my FXR150 when im done with it for th kids to learn on. Miss 13 year old has been out on numerous long rides with her grandad and cant wait. I prefer her to get her car license first. In a MANUAL car. There is no way I want my kids to learn how to drive in an automatic car. Think of all the laffs i would miss out on. IMHO a car is more forgiving if you forget a basic road rule and have an incident. 6 months in a car before getting bike license.
Miss 13yo is already lookin forward and works part time in a Kiwifruit packhouse. Boring job but she works 2 nights after school and all day sunday. She gets 150 in the hand. Its only a sesaonal thing but shes well on her way

**pixc** · 16th July 2006, 11:09

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I not saying that there is one rule for everyone. My decisions are purely based on knowing my own kids.

Oh that is sooo true.

**FilthyLuka** · 16th July 2006, 13:32

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I've got a 14 year old who thinks that he will go straight to bikes. As a parent who has driven cars all his life and only recently moved into bikes, there is no way I am going to allow him to do that.
My perpective is that until he learns road sense and has the ability to recognise the basics, such as cages changing lanes without indication, I want him in a car where the early mistakes are not punished by a hospital visit.
Yes he will end up on bikes and I will fully support him (unlike my parents when I was his age). But I do feel that he needs to learn to read the dangers of the raod in a safer environment, where he has some sort of protection, before venturing out on a bike.
I'm sure there are a lot of parents out there that feel the same way.

nope. ive had my lamma licence for a while now (both car and bike) and the first thing i did was buy a bike and ride it every chance i got (my first time on the road was on a bike). I found that a car doesnt teach you what traffic is. It teaches you how to drive. When riding a bike i took alot more care on the road and payed alot more attention to what was going on around me seeing as if i crashed then im F***ING DEAD! If your worried about your kid becoming a human pancake, fine give him a car. But if you want him to learn what traffic is and deal with it accordingly, let him ride from day dot. Again this is speaking from my personal experience and can change depending on the person in question...