Why do young guys buy cars????

**FilthyLuka** · 16th July 2006, 13:43

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

My 14 year old is the one who thinks he is bullet proof and invincible. Until he realises the dangers, I will not let him near the bike.

WOOHOO! responisble parent

good idea, but dont have a set time limit in a car before he can get a bike... the transition out of shitheadism can be long or short depending on the person... Untill you are comfortable with his state of mind and believe that he isnt going to be a valentino rossi wannabe on the road, dont give him a bike. You may be suprised at how a few close calls and speeding tickets change a kids view on driving, so therefore your boy (im asumming hes a dude) could lose his invinciblity in a matter of weeks, or on the other hand, he could take longer than six months to get out of his "bullet proof" mentality. This is for you too be the judge of.

jesus im happy i dont have kids.

NOW! off for some teenage tom foolery

**inlinefour** · 16th July 2006, 14:20

[QUOTE=Hawkeye]
My 14 year old is the one who thinks he is bullet proof and invincible. Until he realises the dangers, I will not let him near the bike.
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Don't quite know what you consider parenting, but I get the feeling its not what I think. So are you telling me that your answer to the boy wanting to ride is to ban him completely? I don't know about your boy, but if it was me, I'd be telling you to go get FKed, no matter the consequences. I personally think that your answer is a complete cock out of your parenting responsibilities. I take it that since you are here on KB then you ride? Rather than teaching your boy how to be a responsible rider, you'd rather tell him he cannot ride at all? Does anyone else have an issue with this sort of issue or what? He might think hes bullet proof, but I doubt he is stupid. You choose an interesting way of loosing your child's respect for you. I had a draconic father also, who liked to tell me what I could and could not do, and then give the bash when I did it anyway. Last time I saw him it was not on good terms and I have not seen him since, nor wish to. Is this what you also want to achieve with your son? Might be a good time to put your parenting skills to good use? My boy is 6 years old at the moment. I am building him a 50cc rat trail bike, which is rather underpowered. I started my riding at 8 years old on an under powered 90cc step through. I will say this about my father, he knew I wanted to ride and never got in the way. Would have been a fatal mistake for him and I suspect he knew it. He put an effort in to teach me the basics of riding and handling. He also identified good back roads for me to practice and when I crapped off, he was responsible for getting me back on the bike to figure where I went wrong on that stretch of road. I'm thankfull of that as a couple of times I was ready to give up completely on riding. I was also lucky in the fact that he let me practice alot before getting my licience on the same back roads so that when it came time to do my licience the handling/riding bits was pretty easy. I went from a 100cc bike to a high preformance 250cc (RD250LC - fast in its day eh), but because of my teachings and previous experiences, I respected it and it took me along times to learn how to ride it to its limit. You actually have the opportunity to get to know your boy and mould him into a safe rider. However I wonder if your life is so busy and important that you'd rather not make time and just say "no", just like so many Playstation parents out there (PM me if you want that term explained).

**yungatart** · 16th July 2006, 14:36

Inlinefour makes some good points, why not spend the time teaching your son that he is not bulletproof, spend some time riding around paddocks, etc and teach him how to ride with respect for himself, his machine and all the other road users out there. Get him a mentor.Get him into Buckets or motox. Our 15 yo got his BHS and HAD to ride with his dad. At the end of every ride came the debrief... you do this really well, but watch out for this, or improve on this etc
Maybe for some KB ers, they would have to change their riding style dramatically, so as not to pass on some very dangerous habits but surely for most of us it is just a matter of spending time in the saddle with our kids to be good role models

**FilthyLuka** · 16th July 2006, 14:47

both the above posts make good points. However if my father said "you aint riding no bike" i would then promtly go and buy a bike. Teenagers are going to do, say and try stupid things (speaking from experience here) and its up to the parent to oversee said stupidity and stop anything fatal from happening. However, TEACHING is a good start to making your kid realise the dangers. If that doesnt work i have some nasty crash photos you can use

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Denis

**Hawkeye** · 16th July 2006, 15:51

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I don't know about your boy, but if it was me, I'd be telling you to go get FKed, no matter the consequences. I personally think that your answer is a complete cock out of your parenting responsibilities.

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I take it that since you are here on KB then you ride? I had a draconic father also,

Obviously, there are a number of people on here that only read one post and start judging. What I have actually said is I will only let him on the bike on the road when he realises that he isn't bullet proof. I have never said that he could not ride. My parents refused point blank to let me have a bike due to the dangers. I will not do the same to my kids. But I do reserve the right to protect my kids until I feel they are mature enough to understand the consequenses of thier actions. And that's not standing at the side of a hospital bed telling him I told you so after his first 'bullet proof' bin at speed.
15 year olds don't always make the right choices no matter how good a parent you are.
You do not know me or my kid's , but my kids do respect me and repect my wishes. They will not tell me 'as you say ' to get f%%ed' - so don't judge.

**Bonez** · 16th July 2006, 15:55

Originally Posted by Ixion

But , in the end, the factor that will always incline young men toward cars instead of bikes, is the same one it always has been. Lack of a rear seat. Young blood runs hot.

ahh brings back fond momories the old man's HQ Holden. I got my car licence at 15 and didn't get a full m/c licence till I was 20 odd.

**inlinefour** · 16th July 2006, 17:03

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Obviously, there are a number of people on here that only read one post and start judging. What I have actually said is I will only let him on the bike on the road when he realises that he isn't bullet proof. I have never said that he could not ride. My parents refused point blank to let me have a bike due to the dangers. I will not do the same to my kids. But I do reserve the right to protect my kids until I feel they are mature enough to understand the consequenses of thier actions. And that's not standing at the side of a hospital bed telling him I told you so after his first 'bullet proof' bin at speed.
15 year olds don't always make the right choices no matter how good a parent you are.
You do not know me or my kid's , but my kids do respect me and repect my wishes. They will not tell me 'as you say ' to get f%%ed' - so don't judge.

So what your saying is that you would rather wait "until I feel they are mature enough to understand the consequenses of thier actions". Instead of help teach them it? There is such a thing as nuturing kids and teaching them. Sadly this often is not happening and the quality of parenting is becoming poorer. Sounds like your actually wanting to do nothing but wait for him to grow? Hows he going to learn anything from that? Most likely outcome for him is that his kids will also go without input from their father when it could have mattered the most. Judge? You make these posts and then get upset when we post comments based on your original posts? You will get no political correctness from me, I live in the real world, as do many of us eh.

**Swoop** · 16th July 2006, 17:36

Why do young guys buy cars???

Let me think....

**Filterer** · 16th July 2006, 21:25

I think i have read through this whole thread and what I haven't seen mentioned is that if you learn in a car first you have someone beside you to guide you on how traffic flows works.

On a motorbike you are alone there is no one to anticipate your mistakes or tell you were you can improve...

I think thats a HUGE factor towards learning to drive a car first

I have driven cars for many years and during summer holidays I was driving 1000km + a week around auckland city and I think I know all the tricks in terms of recognising the danger signs and my reactions are automatic so all I have to concentrate on is learning to control the bike

Having said that though I never grew up with motorbikes so I guess if you grew up riding dirt bikes then thats slightly different

If my child wanted to ride a bike then im fine with that as long as there is someway that i can communicate with her in the learning phase.....

Either that be that she must learn in a car or with some sort of cb radio system but from what i understand they don't really work well unless you have a silent helmet and high quality radio gear (like $1000)

**Hawkeye** · 16th July 2006, 22:26

Originally Posted by Filterer

I think i have read through this whole thread and what I haven't seen mentioned is that if you learn in a car first you have someone beside you to guide you on how traffic flows works.

On a motorbike you are alone there is no one to anticipate your mistakes or tell you were you can improve...

I think thats a HUGE factor towards learning to drive a car first

I have driven cars for many years and during summer holidays I was driving 1000km + a week around auckland city and I think I know all the tricks in terms of recognising the danger signs and my reactions are automatic so all I have to concentrate on is learning to control the bike

Having said that though I never grew up with motorbikes so I guess if you grew up riding dirt bikes then thats slightly different

If my child wanted to ride a bike then im fine with that as long as there is someway that i can communicate with her in the learning phase.....

Either that be that she must learn in a car or with some sort of cb radio system but from what i understand they don't really work well unless you have a silent helmet and high quality radio gear (like $1000)

My sentiments exactly

**Hawkeye** · 16th July 2006, 22:48

Originally Posted by inlinefour

So what your saying is that you would rather wait "until I feel they are mature enough to understand the consequenses of thier actions". Instead of help teach them it? There is such a thing as nuturing kids and teaching them. Sadly this often is not happening and the quality of parenting is becoming poorer. Sounds like your actually wanting to do nothing but wait for him to grow? Hows he going to learn anything from that? Most likely outcome for him is that his kids will also go without input from their father when it could have mattered the most. Judge? You make these posts and then get upset when we post comments based on your original posts? You will get no political correctness from me, I live in the real world, as do many of us eh.

I'm always open to a good debate - but your points were not a debate, they are judgemental. You appear to have a problem with your parenting between your father and yourself and are now putting me in that same pigeon hole.
I am actually looking forward to being able to go out riding with him. However, as I said, you do not know me and have obviously never read any of my previous posts. I can't even take him out as a pillion as I only started riding myself 5 months ago. I am still on a learners so do not have the skill set to teach him as I am still learning myself. I also only have one bike which makes it hard to take him out and supervise. Hence my reluctance to allow him out on the bike until he has at least been out and seen the dangers first hand where I can at least be beside him to point them out.

**inlinefour** · 16th July 2006, 22:58

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I'm always open to a good debate - but your points were not a debate, they are judgemental. You appear to have a problem with your parenting between your father and yourself and are now putting me in that same pigeon hole.
I am actually looking forward to being able to go out riding with him. However, as I said, you do not know me and have obviously never read any of my previous posts. I can't even take him out as a pillion as I only started riding myself 5 months ago. I am still on a learners so do not have the skill set to teach him as I am still learning myself. I also only have one bike which makes it hard to take him out and supervise. Hence my reluctance to allow him out on the bike until he has at least been out and seen the dangers first hand where I can at least be beside him to point them out.

I read the lot and are not putting you in any pigeon hole. You want to get all defensive, go for it. Pretty pathetic IMO and you still did not get the point...

**Goblin** · 16th July 2006, 23:12

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Hence my reluctance to allow him out on the bike until he has at least been out and seen the dangers first hand where I can at least be beside him to point them out.

Has he never been a passenger in a car? Surely he must have seen the dangers first hand many times. Give the youngins some credit...they do learn more than you may think by just seeing what goes on when you are driving. By you being a learner rider yourself, wouldnt it be great to learn with your son? Imagine you both out on your own bikes, having good times with him instead of waiting for him to "mature". Give him a chance if he's keen.

**Hawkeye** · 16th July 2006, 23:19

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I read the lot and are not putting you in any pigeon hole. You want to get all defensive, go for it. Pretty pathetic IMO and you still did not get the point...

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I had a draconic father also, who liked to tell me what I could and could not do, and then give the bash when I did it anyway. Last time I saw him it was not on good terms and I have not seen him since, nor wish to.

If that is not pigeon holeing, what is?

I put my point of view, as have others. I do not have to defend myself to anyone. Everyone has their own views. Sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't. That's what makes the world go round. All I am saying is people should not judge others when they do not know them.

I hope you enjoy your time with your son. I know I enjoy my time with mine. I just want to make sure that that time is not cut short due to circumstances that I have a little input into.