Another police memo

[Karma]

ONLY SMART THING YOUVE EVER SAID , YES YOU ARE A DICK.

Thanks, love you too.

I HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT , I DO RUNNERS

And you don't think that doing that only gives them the ammo they need to come down harder on motorists / bikers?

I speed from time to time, and if I get caught doing it then I'll stop and take my hit.

If you don't want to get fines, don't do anything illegal.

[Patrick]

SHOULDNT THE TROOPS REVOLT THEN , OR ARE YOU ALL SPINELESS RETARDS

You pay my wage, then I will revolt...

[Grahameeboy]

Doesnt look good.

There is a quota i just dont see why they dont come out and say it.

Its important to keep record of how many tickets traffic cops are issuing out, otherwise they could just sit around the office all day. There are not many other ways to measure their performance.

There is definatley too strong of a focus on traffic at the expense of general duty work, that is a terrible disgrace.

In saying that cops only issue tickets to people who are speeding, the person speeding created the situation not the cop.

I think that people will be happy being policed for traffic as most people see it is needed as long as general duty policing is also properly attended.

Most people realise that speed kills,as does drink driving.

Fair points.....I agree that it is the person who speeds etc but as I have said in other posts, the Govt allow us to buy vehicles, for which they receive revenue in the form of Income Tax from vendor and GST from us, which easily exceed the speed limits set by the Govt............if the Govt really wanted to make roads safer etc then they should stop us buying vehicles that can do more than 100kph.....so the question is who really creates the situation.

Hey how about like with Diesel vehicles with RUC, motorcycles pay a SUC..Speed User Charge based on cc size. Then everyone wins...Govt get their revenue and we have fun..the Police get less grief, Lou and gang have less to say and the Police will have more resources to fight crime...and the reality is that the incidents of speed related accident will not change.

[Grahameeboy]

The 'incentive' of getting off the ticket if they fit another tyre (gotta bring a reciept) makes them do it.

Give 'em a plain $150 ticket and they drive off - and keep driving on the worn tyre and don't get another tyre.

I realised that.......................

[Ixion]

Lets get it in perspective: about a third or so of my tickets generate NO income - they're 'compliance' tickets for worn tyre, no headlight etc.

But my bitch is the hours it takes the troops off crime to get those tickets.

Well done that man, have an orang-utan. Compliance tickets are a very good thing, they eliminate a problem instead of just penalising it.

But in the context of this matter, the fact that they generate no value is irrelevant. It is ticket NUMBERS that LTSA want not value.

The reason is (which also answers Ms Plaicidfemme's question about who gets the money from tickets) is that LTSA fund the police force. The government gives the LTSA X million dollars, LTSA hand it on to the police. But, the money comes with strings attached. LTSA say, "this dosh is to fund X hours of cops giving out speeding tickets " (in much more indirect language of course). And the LTSA want to know that the cops are delivering what they're paid for.

But, it's hard , impractical, for the LTSA to actually measure how many hours the police spend chasing down speeding motorists. So, they measure the result in tickets. I believe it's at a rate of one ticket per hour.

So, the X million dollars from the lTSA funds Y number of hours of speed enforcement. To prove the Y hours are being out in, the police have to produce to the LTSA Y number of tickets issued (not literally produce of course).

In this case, the Top Cop was worried that he didn't have enough tickets issued to balance his books by year end.

But, there is a financial feedback also. The X million dollars comes from the government. The government don't just hand money out willy nilly. LTSA have to produce an operating statement (they may call it something different). This sets out how much money the LTSA is going to spend

So, the government accountants say "Hm, So much for this, so much for that, X million for the cops, so much for t'other. Total debits, $$$". Then they set against that the value of credit revenue generated by LTSA - driver's licence fees, Rego fees RUC etc tec. And "OK, now credit the value of enforcement proceedings (fines) $$$$". Any shortfall (excess of debits over credits) has to be met from taxation revenue. Which is a Bad Thing at the Treasury. But, conversely, if credits exceed debits (because of lots of fines) then the government will be more willing to give the LTSA more money to fund more police enforcement activity.

So, to answer the question, where does the money go? It goes into a money-go-round; paid to the Consolidated Fund, but separately accounted; thence credited aginst LTSA debits (I imagine only a portion is credited - and government accounting is of course vastly more sophisticated than this crude description); then returned to LTSA as part of Vote Transport; then paid to the police, to buy speeding tickets.

So, indirectly, more tickets does mean more money for the police. Hence, Top Cop's insistence that the ticket numbers must be gotten up to budget.

[Grahameeboy]

ONLY SMART THING YOUVE EVER SAID , YES YOU ARE A DICK.
I HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT , I DO RUNNERS

At least he admits to being a dick..which he isn't having met him.......you are a dick for doing a runner because you potentially put others in danger and it does give us a bad name.

[terbang]

If you don't want to get fines, don't do anything illegals

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We all know that point and its relatively undisputed. I think the issue that upsets most here is that the policing has become an encouraged method of revenue collecting while there is fear that general crime duties may be neglected as a result. Now I dont see cops as money grabbers they are just the indians (not you JSG), however when it comes to money grabbing...well we all know the government likes to do that and yet they deny it (show me a polly that doesnt lie). There are some good points here, WINJA has made one, that perhaps the indians should offer some feedback to their superiors and so on (leak a few more memos guys). The more pressure on the Pollies the more the media dig it up, the more mud gets slung and some of it will stick and there are things called elections. The revenue collecting is here to stay, if you cant afford to pay it, then ride like apropriatly, however it is the lack of rescource or responsibility in the general crime area that we need to keep a good eye on.

[Patrick]

WHY WOULD I WRITE MY MP YOU FUCKTARD , THE POLICY IN THIS CASE IS HANDED DOWN BY THE AREA COMMANDER WHO IS NOT A POLITICIAN ,

Prolly cant write... but that last piece above was really funny. A Tui moment even...

[Grahameeboy]

We all know that point and its relatively undisputed. I think the issue that upsets most here is that the policing has become an encouraged method of revenue collecting while there is fear that general crime duties may be neglected as a result. Now I dont see cops as money grabbers they are just the indians (not you JSG), however when it comes to money grabbing...well we all know the government likes to do that and yet they deny it (show me a polly that doesnt lie). There are some good points here, WINJA has made one, that perhaps the indians should offer some feedback to their superiors and so on (leak a few more memos guys). The more pressure on the Pollies the more the media dig it up, the more mud gets slung and some of it will stick and there are things called elections. The revenue collecting is here to stay, if you cant afford to pay it, then ride like apropriatly, however it is the lack of rescource or responsibility in the general crime area that we need to keep a good eye on.

In an ideal world, however, it is not easy to make waves at work, you would have to have a majority of cops saying something and like us they all have to pay for mortgages etc and how many of us would make that sacrifice.
So okay someone will say that cops should leave but then that has the obvious negative effect.
The Govt will do whatever they want to do at the end of the day and I doubt any Govt will listen to media hype about leaked memo' cause Govts are good at getting out of things.

[WINJA]

At least he admits to being a dick..which he isn't having met him.......you are a dick for doing a runner because you potentially put others in danger and it does give us a bad name.

YOUR THE FAG WHO LOST HIS LICENCE , HOW MANY LAWS DID YOU BREAK HYPOCRITE

[Grahameeboy]

Definitions of politician on the Web:

a leader engaged in civil administration

Does this include the Police Commander......??

[scumdog]

I DO RUNNERS

So you fix athletes shoes? Or do you work in the gut floor of the freezing works?

[terbang]

In an ideal world, however, it is not easy to make waves at work, you would have to have a majority of cops saying something and like us they all have to pay for mortgages etc and how many of us would make that sacrifice.
So okay someone will say that cops should leave but then that has the obvious negative effect.
The Govt will do whatever they want to do at the end of the day and I doubt any Govt will listen to media hype about leaked memo' cause Govts are good at getting out of things.

Oh well off to anarchy we go then..

[scumdog]

[QUOTE= that perhaps the indians should offer some feedback to their superiors and so on (leak a few more memos guys). [/QUOTE]

They get feedback and they know alright.

[Grahameeboy]

YOUR THE FAG WHO LOST HIS LICENCE , HOW MANY LAWS DID YOU BREAK HYPOCRITE

I was waiting for that......if you read my posts you will see that I have never complained about tickets so I am not a hypocrite. I accept the Law but guess you do not if you do runners because you have broken the law.

I just add things into the pot which is what Trollers do.

I accept the loss of my licence without issue WINJA.....unlike you I am not 'bigger than jesus'........however, it has taught me a lesson and I am happy to admit that....

It is how you react that is important.