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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie
    Scumdog, would there be any implications for you professionally, for you to join our ranks in a national body to have an increase presence in these such decisions?

    You could be really good to ensure we don't say something out and out easily proved wrong.

    Are you involved with traffic or sumthin else?
    No implication at all that I can think of.

    People like Lou and a few others say things that are not going to be easily proved wrong but unfortunately there's a shitload of political/financial stuff thrown in which he's not privy to, hence while he says stuff that makes sense (Yeah well most of the time LOu ) the rest tangle things up so what appears as common sense has to take a back seat. (hope that lot makes sense).

    And I'm MEANT to be traffic but also relieving, - spend most of my time doing general policing but a week or so back the boss said 'We'll see if we can't get you out on the road a bit more this year' (i.e. the new financial year). so I'll wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    It is the same logic that says I cannot own a fully-automatic AK47 - because some retard might not be safe with one therefore I suffer that same judgement - just like you suffer it because the law says a retard is likely to be unsafe at over 100kph wheras you may well have sufficient good judgement to travel quite a bit faster than that and do so safely.

    As far as education and training, I agree 100%, make the driving test more expensive and harder, toss in a bit of real training and make the penalties for driving without a licence severe.
    And also up the penalties for passing on yellow lines etc, I mean, c'mon, $150 for an act that could result in fatalities - and frequently does - hardly a real deterent eh?
    plus 35 points................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy
    plus 35 points................
    Yep, wot you sed.

    But most people don't know they're getting a 35 demerits when they get their $150 ticket so it does not come into the 'deterent' equation.

    Only speed tickets have the demerits marked on them ,- no I don't know why the others don't)
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    So Scumdog, would you consider supporting the cause and joining the ranks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie
    So Scumdog, would you consider supporting the cause and joining the ranks?
    Wot cause, wot ranks?

    PM me with more detail eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    Uh, no. 7%-8% of fatal/injury accidents are due to exceeding the safe speed for the conditions. Which in these cases happens, coincidentally, to be the speed limit.
    The studies differentiated between the two.
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    ? So you are saying that the study said that 7%-8% of fatalities occured because motorists exceeded the speed limit even though the (excessive) speed was quite safe? That doesn't make sense. If the speed was not unsafe why was there an accident. Or do you mean that 7% of accidents occured when exceeding the speed limit, for reasons unrelated to speed?
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    The cause of the accident was put down to exceeding the speed limit. The speed travelled at was patently unsafe. From memory, some of the other causes were; inattention, drink/drugs, looked but didn't see, too fast for the conditions.
    They are obviously differentiating between travelling too fast yet under the limit and just plain too fast.
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    Jeeeees, and there was me hoping that our move to NZ would be a move away from a focus on speed cameras and targetting bikes in particular for minor offences like noisy cans and smaller-than-legal number plates... doesn't look like it will be

    In the UK we've seen the number of speed cameras increase year upon year, with no real reduction in the number of accidents. Personally I don't understand the mentality of government bodies who know that more vehicles on the roads WILL increase the number of accidents, yet they still keep implementing new laws/more cameras/less traffic police in an attempt to further reduce the number of accidents. It's just not going to happen while the majority of motorists on the road don't actually give a sh*t about their own standard of driving.

    Punishment alone, be it fines or points, is not the way forward, neither is a blanket reduction in speed limits. Take my commute in to work as an example: they reduced the speed limits from 60mph to 50mph in one area, and from 40mph to 30mph in another (60 and 40 are a safe speed for this road). At the same time they amended the markings on much of the road to a solid white line which means that vehicles can not overtake. The number of accidents has actually increased on this stretch of road because drivers get impatient, stuck in a queue of traffic doing a speed limit that is below what it should be, and as soon as they reach an area that they can overtake, they pull all sorts of stupid moves to get past the vehicle that had been 'holding them up'.

    All along the road are signs stating 'Slower Speeds, Safer Roads' - it's just not the case. The signs should read 'Better Drivers, Safer Roads' and the focus should be on driver education, not on issuing fines and points.

    Do the government see this? Do they hell. They've spent years following the 'speed kills' mantra, they know damn well that it isn't working but keep trying the same approach.

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    As with anything, I believe it is a lack of credible enforcement that is the root issue.

    People get fines, they don't pay them, people rack up points, get their license cancelled (if they have one), but still drive.

    Why?

    Same reason why people drink drive, over and over and over.

    Because, in all reality, unless they are driving all over the show, on a back road, they are not going to get stopped.

    Even when they are doing warrant checks, or even breatho, they don't ask for your license, whereas they should.

    Speed cameras (IMHO) should have demerits, they should also have instant warrant for arrest / siezure if the vehicle is owned and opperated by a disqualified driver. If the vehicle is owned by an unlicensed person, print the photo, knock on their door, if they look like the person in the picture, lock them up for a month.

    If fines aren't paid, the vehicle owned by the person should be impounded.

    There is too much focus on getting money, not actually enforcing the law, which makes the whole thing a joke. If the cops aren't going to follow up on these pricks and hold them accountable and actually enforce the law, how is it ever going to get any better?

    The system is too soft all the way round, as such, most of these reoffenders and youngsters do not have any respect for the laws, as essentially, their are no implications to them if they drive anyway.
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    A lot of posts being made on the Safe As website from councillors, senior police etc etc.

    Load up the meetings with cronies, load up the forums.....

    Fuckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeak the Rat
    A lot of posts being made on the Safe As website from councillors, senior police etc etc.

    Load up the meetings with cronies, load up the forums.....

    Fuckers.
    Great, I'll have to spend more time on there. It's a shame Fitzgerald has gone, I liked winding him up. He even wrote to me trying to convert me.
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