MoT targeting motorcyclists for new restrictions

[Ixion]

The rebuttal on speed limits should be that focus on increased enforcement of speed limits will not progress road safety. That benefits from enforcement are in fact due to the elimination of dangerous speed differentials (that was well received last night by the MoT bint). And that LTSA figures show that this has plateaued now that traffic is mostly doing the same speed. Therefore we need to move on and consider options for (insert whatever )

[scumdog]

Now why is it that the law is quite happy for me to use my judgement to select a suitable speed up to 100mph (even though faulty judgement may cause me to crash and be killed) ; but considers me incapable of making that SAME judgement at 130kph?



Is it not, rather, better training. Then with improved judgement I will select an appropriate speed for that 50kph corner.

It is the same logic that says I cannot own a fully-automatic AK47 - because some retard might not be safe with one therefore I suffer that same judgement - just like you suffer it because the law says a retard is likely to be unsafe at over 100kph wheras you may well have sufficient good judgement to travel quite a bit faster than that and do so safely.

As far as education and training, I agree 100%, make the driving test more expensive and harder, toss in a bit of real training and make the penalties for driving without a licence severe.
And also up the penalties for passing on yellow lines etc, I mean, c'mon, $150 for an act that could result in fatalities - and frequently does - hardly a real deterent eh?

[Jantar]

As far as education and training, I agree 100%, make the driving test more expensive and harder, toss in a bit of real training and make the penalties for driving without a licence severe.
And also up the penalties for passing on yellow lines etc, I mean, c'mon, $150 for an act that could result in fatalities - and frequently does - hardly a real deterent eh?

I don't think anyone her would argue with any of those suggestions.

[Ixion]

Hey, Mr Scumdog, what's a cop with a single large silver crown on each epaulette and a whole mess of silver braid on his cap peak? What rank I mean, is he a Big Cheese, we had one of them at the meeting last night, he was a right prat.

[scumdog]

Hey, Mr Scumdog, what's a cop with a single large silver crown on each epaulette and a whole mess of silver braid on his cap peak? What rank I mean, is he a Big Cheese, we had one of them at the meeting last night, he was a right prat.

Dunno, we never see them down here, could be a Superintendant or sommat, but yeah, a Big Cheese, outrank me by about four levels.

They drive a flash office chair most of the time, probably got a gold star qualification for that too...

[Ozzie]

Scumdog, would there be any implications for you professionally, for you to join our ranks in a national body to have an increase presence in these such decisions?

You could be really good to ensure we don't say something out and out easily proved wrong.

Are you involved with traffic or sumthin else?

[spudchucka]

Hey, Mr Scumdog, what's a cop with a single large silver crown on each epaulette and a whole mess of silver braid on his cap peak? What rank I mean, is he a Big Cheese, we had one of them at the meeting last night, he was a right prat.

http://www.police.govt.nz/about/insignia.html

Take your pick.

Silver fern fronds on the caps peak only go to inspectors and above.

[Ozzie]

I would have picked Senior Seargant, if you were talkin about the load old fella behind me, but I didn't see his lid.

Pretty sure there were no stars on his shoulders.

[Ixion]

Ah. He was a superintendant. Superintendant TheSunShinesOutofmyArse . Guess that's why he got uppitty when I called him "dude"

[candor]

That censored post reappeared. A comp glitch? Just realised the other 20 found deleted could have been question 3. Which they removed from local sections after our bitching - just before u guys came on board.

[Lou Girardin]

Is speed a road safety issue, yes it is.

On it's own, does it cause accidents, no it doesn't.

Yes it does. International studies have shown around 7% - 8% of fatal/injury accidents are due to exceeding the speed limit.
Less than that caused by tiredness, inattention, in fact less than just about any other cause other than mechanical failure.

[Karma]

Yes it does. International studies have shown around 7% - 8% of fatal/injury accidents are due to exceeding the speed limit.

Ok... perhaps it should have been clearer...

Retards speeding causes accidents, people that don't know their limits cause accidents, but if speeding itself is the root cause of accidents then police wouldn't be allowed to chase people over 100k because it's dangerous.

[Ozzie]

Really?

No disrespect, but how?

i would think speed relative to the conditions would be a factor, but ultimately falling in the drive/rider error or ability side.

But speed alone?

[Ozzie]

Ok... perhaps it should have been clearer...

Retards speeding causes accidents, people that don't know their limits cause accidents, but if speeding itself is the root cause of accidents then police wouldn't be allowed to chase people over 100k because it's dangerous.

Well said that man, should have thought of that on Thursday!

[Ixion]

Yes it does. International studies have shown around 7% - 8% of fatal/injury accidents are due to exceeding the speed limit.
Less than that caused by tiredness, inattention, in fact less than just about any other cause other than mechanical failure.

Uh, no. 7%-8% of fatal/injury accidents are due to exceeding the safe speed for the conditions. Which in these cases happens, coincidentally, to be the speed limit.