Safe As Whangarei - Friday 4/8/06

[candor]

I think it's very poor form to report to plod the people you are having lunch with. Rude As! And that we need to start a "snails are killing us" campaign.

Did he truly boast no-one he taught to drive is dead - impossible.

You guys best warn others heading off to other Safe As sessions eg Masterton. Cos I bet they are figuring out .... by now... that y'all well organised. So no doubt they'll have the road to Masterton staked out - just to get ya's back over your general lack of yes man ship on the website.

[Ozzie]

I think it's very poor form to report to plod the people you are having lunch with. Rude As! And that we need to start a "snails are killing us" campaign.

Did he truly boast no-one he taught to drive is dead - impossible.

You guys best warn others heading off to other Safe As sessions eg Masterton. Cos I bet they are figuring out .... by now... that y'all well organised. So no doubt they'll have the road to Masterton staked out - just to get ya's back over your general lack of yes man ship on the website.

Um, yes he did, and you are right, on all accounts, IMHO.

Question to you...or two...

I understand CANDOR is a group, is candor the user a group as well, or just one person?

Are you on this site as a motorcycle enthusiast, or to promote your cause?

NP either way, just curious.

[candor]

Yep, candor is a Group but its just me using the handle on safe as and being its mouthpiece. I originally landed up here to dump some preaching re my cause of drugs and driving on the bikers. That done I gave it a rest.

No I'm not an enthusiast. Got shown about 100 bikes in a shed in MC up the hill near Miramar once and my reaction was - "ummm yeah and what - what is that proud look on the owners faces - don't get it - it's / they're just bikes".

Forgive me - I am female and do not have any emotional attachment to cars / bikes or any of that sort of stuff. So am not here as an enthusist but am just interested in what input you are having to the safe as stuff - all good and I'm over the moon bout it, so like to follow it by snooping round your club here.

Also you have some very interesting conversations around road safety and transport and I like to live and learn all I can It all helps me with my attack plans. But if my occasional presence here is disturbing to any or you suspect me of being an undercover cop then well I guess I'll just be "on my bike". Que Sara. So there you have Candor explained I hope.

[Ixion]

Nay, it's all good. We're not too worried about undercover cops, we've got a dozen or so open about it. Good to see them come out of the closet, in this day and age even ploddiness is nothing to be ashamed of. Well not much , anyway. Wierd mustachios, now, that definately is shameful. AND they'll get caught in the closet door.

[Ozzie]

But if my occasional presence here is disturbing to any or you suspect me of being an undercover cop then well I guess I'll just be "on my bike". Que Sara.

Quite the contrary, from my perspective, a few others on here I suspect.

I for one, am very motivated about road safety. Not from the result of an experience, more that I consider myself a responsible person, and as such, consider it is better to prevent a mess than clean it up.

I am extremely frustrated with the level the Government has pulled the wool. Not so much on the focus of bikes, because any law change would effect me as much as a cage driver as well. Moreso, the effort and money is going into an area that is completely and utterly a diversion.

Let's face facts here;

Speeding on its own contributed 16.8% to the road toll in the previous 12 months.

Speeding and alcohol contributed 16 or so %

Alcohol contributed about the same.

Speeding, in this context, is driving too fast for the conditions, including the driver/riders ability, the state of repair of the roads, their vehicle, and weather (and probably a whole lot more). Speed does not impare you judgement, does not change the way you make decisions, or reduce your reaction time.

The fact of the matter is, alcohol does, so do drugs (as pointed out by candor), so does micro sleeps (as pointed out by akilla). So does whatever the hell the other 53% of fatality causes are.

The government are more concerned with appearing to make an effort than actually making an effort. It is killing people, and waisting millions of dollars that could otherwise be spent keeping us on the planet.

FUCK it rips my nighty!

Candor, IMHO, you are very welcome to be here.

I hold hope, between you, me, akilla, can, and anyone else that really does give a shit, we can make ourselves heard.

If I haven't scared you off, pm me some contact details and I will bring you up to speed with my ideas, you will always have the right to tell me to take a hike (or get on my bike).

[candor]

This Govt is psychopathic. I can competently make that diagnosis as I worked in forensics with the criminally insane long enough!

Before 2004 I had zero interest or knowledge of road safety. So you're pretty onto it Ozzie. But then my Mum was murdered by a 5 x convicted (read "drug" in reality) careless driver in a lunchtime unavoidable headon. Both vehicles were going at only 80 (drug drivers dont speed - they sleep). Her body was rather a mess and she suffered torture for over an hour - conscious. 40 days before this her killer was sentenced to a driving skils (read kils) class by a moronic justice system.

For driving "carelessly" while on P and other drugs as his methadone clinic could tell you - and did tell me off the record (I'm a nurse ha ha). Because they can't nail drug drivers under current law this is how they're charged. This clearly improved his driving no end. As instead of writing off 2 parked cars and his own which the wrongful "careless" charge was for (yet again) in his next crash only 2 cars, (but alas 2 lives -my mums and her dog) were lost. The killer as usual had his 2 toddlers as crash test dummies in the car. It took 2 years to get to trial. He was the first convicted of drug driving causing death.

Only because I blackmailed Police so they (I believe) did the same to the killer to get guilty plea before trial. Had it gone to trial he'd have got off on technicalites as the law no good. As it was his dads had plod friends so the charges were reduced and all the illicit drugs test tresults lost so that he was only charged with DUI methadone and sleeping pils (read drugs of abuse) that he had a script for 10 years ago. The Judge accepted the false claim he was not abusing drugs just unknowingly wasted on prescribeds which was reflected in sentencing. As the P and pot results were misplaced!

But had he evaded trial rather than manipulated outcomes (main witness got base ball batted) then I would have perhaps killed him using not quick methods. As he thought (being a moron) that it was a badge of honor he'd "survived a fatal this time".

After sentencing the locals in his small town nearly lynched me. 2 yrs 7 mths equals 1/3rd then parole in reality! He has a rich daddy and supplies P to many I believe. So I was demonised for not "just dropping it". As I walked the mainstreet local thugs spat hissed and yelled A******. Mum died on holiday there. I will be relocating her body out of that feral ass**** town when dad is gone (s as not to disturb him).

Do you see why I'm P***** off with Helens lot. I bought a huge amount of wood today. I am building something for placement outside Parliament very soon. No - its not a funeral pyre. But you would not be far off. A form of protest anyway. BTW I know Akilla (Martin)- we plot together. He's very onto it. OK so have told all my secrets and why I'm an extremist. Spilled guts everywhere.

NZers are so complacent I can't be bothered organising people. So will do the protest on my own. I dnt know the law on protesting so am hoping I wont get arrested. But I've had enough quite simply. NZ pussified and useless regime could do with a shake up. People give to this country and get not enough back.

40 yrs my mum nursed for shit pay for this govt. And her homicide they tried to make count for nothing. We were very very lucky to get a conviction. Another 120 odd are killed by drug drivers yearly who never see jail walls. I'm gonna sort that if its the last thing I do.

[Ozzie]

I'm gonna sort that if its the last thing I do.

Well, my dear, I will hold your hand! (that is not intended patronising)

I don't have personal experience, and don't want it, and I am very very sorry to hear of your loss and the circumstances around it.

With all except the "You know" bin larden thing, I'm am with you.

For all the wrong things the government has done, and is doing to get votes. I cannot and will not in any way, in any context condone those actions or those methods by pure definition.

But, I'm sure that is emotion as opposed to intent, and I take your point, be carefull saying such things though, in the state the world is at the mo, you could come accross as the bad not the good, which will do none of us any good, and could alienate you and your cause to others.

Anyway, as i said in my previous post....there are a lot of us on here, vocal and not, who will not so much join you, as join hands with you, and team up for a common goal.....To wake the Nation up, and hold the Government accountable for some serious indecision and freaking outrageos deflection and criminal ignorance.

[Ixion]

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NZers are so complacent I can't be bothered organising people. So will do the protest on my own. I dnt know the law on protesting so am hoping I wont get arrested. But I've had enough quite simply. NZ pussified and useless regime could do with a shake up. People give to this country and get not enough back.

40 yrs my mum nursed for shit pay for this govt. And her homicide they tried to make count for nothing. We were very very lucky to get a conviction. Another 120 odd are killed by drug drivers yearly who never see jail walls. I'm gonna sort that if its the last thing I do.

That has got to be worth bling from a Communist. I do know the law on protesting. You protest, you go to gaol. You will get arrested, and soon, they'll be able to Taser you.Power to you, sister. If I can help, call it in, I will.

EDIT. Bugger.You must spread some reputation around before gining it to Candor again.

[John Banks]

That has got to be worth bling from a Communist. I do know the law on protesting. You protest, you go to gaol. You will get arrested, and soon, they'll be able to Taser you.Power to you, sister. If I can help, call it in, I will.

EDIT. Bugger.You must spread some reputation around before gining it to Candor again.

I get a bit sick of people blaming this on Helen's government. Bullshit - it'd be the same under Brash's. There's no real change because the whole system is far too entrenched.

[The Pastor]

I get a bit sick of people blaming this on Helen's government. Bullshit - it'd be the same under Brash's. There's no real change because the whole system is far too entrenched.

Yes but its the left governments who have chosen to take the counrty down the center left path... But as you said, were too far down that path for it to be fixed.

[candor]

"it'd be the same under Brash's. There's no real change because the whole system is far too entrenched".

Uh yeah -but you have to admit a bit of decent leadership can cause somedisentrenchment (if thats a word) where it matters. In life and death matters like road safety it matters. As bad policy kills. A 7 to 1 return on the road safety buck just goes to show where their priorities lie. Revenue not rescue. They have no right to call this a road safety strategy. It effectively increases the real and present danger to us all what they do and do not do.
When oh when will a cabinet Minister or PM reap what they've sown.
Oh oops I forgot - Monash Uni says all Govt employees should be issues safe cars. Unlike the rest of the cagers on kiwi goat tracks.

[Pixie]

...and the Top Cheese Police dude that was in Hamilton, who I find is called Dave Cliff.

Did you happen to notice if he had an ambulance up his arse?

[Lou Girardin]

I get a bit sick of people blaming this on Helen's government. Bullshit - it'd be the same under Brash's. There's no real change because the whole system is far too entrenched.

Entrenched by Labour. These current policies are theirs and theirs alone.