L plates - which offence is worse?

[Flyingpony]

I have now had my 3rd LPlate fall off my bike cause they are only Velcro'd on. There is nowhere on the rear of my bike to physically attach it so they keep falling off.

Drill a hole in the top of your L plate and then simply attach it to one of your number plate nut & bolts. That's how I did mine and it never fell off.

[McJim]

I've stuck it to one of the spokes on my back wheel - it never falls off, it's attached to the rear of my bike but no-one sees it except from the side when I'm stationary

[dnos]

I've stuck it to one of the spokes on my back wheel - it never falls off, it's attached to the rear of my bike but no-one sees it except from the side when I'm stationary

haha what a wicked idea. Cop asks where is your l plate - right there officer

[sels1]

"Don't do 70 in a 100 zone ever. Go with the flow... dont attract attention to yourself" is what my basic handling instructor told me... He was right.

Good advice from one who knows.....(read between the lines, folks)

[Str8 Jacket]

Also another good point:

NO L-PLATE ALSO MEANS NO INSURANCE!!!

I must have been lucky then... when I wrote of my first bike I had no L plate attached and they still paid me out. Maybe because I was let of with a warning for dangerous driving (should have been careless, but who cares) so no charges. The cop must not have looked for an L plate either as they never mentioned anything....

[ZeroIndex]

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.

and how exactly are you supposed to ride around Auckland if you live there? I've rode around there a tiny bit, and it's not a Learner-Friendly city.. But yeah, I've done tonnes of 'touring'-style riding, and 70km/h at the experience level that I ride at would just be stupid.. only got another 22 days till i can sit my restricted though <-- talking about my experience level, I'm not saying I think I'm better than everyone.. I KNOW I AM!! J/K LOL haha, nah, I've done over 10,000kms in my 5 months of riding, and that doesn't include the 6 - 9 hours each day (tuesday to saturday) spent delivering mail on a bike

[Ozzie]

Face it, there is no safe way to be a learner.

Everyone speeds, and gets impatient, and pulls dumbass overtaking moves, tailgates and whatever else because learners don't go fast enough, and that is in the burbs.

I take my GF out on her bike, she has done only 400 km, and she scares me in that she wants to go for big rides, but I don't want her to go too fast till she has more experience. But if we go slow, F'Wit cagers try and kill both of us.

[sunhuntin]

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.

blow being stuck in town!! i live for the open road and love it!!

[sndrmn]

When I was on my learners I had the L plate on all da time. Meet lots of guys who seemed to make it an art form as to how they hid their L plate....

For me is was just an incentive to get my restrictive. Get that damn L plate off my bike!!! did'nt help that my mates called it a LOSER plate.....

[Ixion]

I must have been lucky then... when I wrote of my first bike I had no L plate attached and they still paid me out. Maybe because I was let of with a warning for dangerous driving (should have been careless, but who cares) so no charges. The cop must not have looked for an L plate either as they never mentioned anything....

It will only be an issue if, after the accident , you are charged with breach of licence conditions in not displaying the L plate. Otherwise, how does the insurance company know? And for that to happen you would either have to run up against the renowned Cunstable Cuntly McCunt , or be yourself such a cunt that you totally pissed off the cops.

[Hellraiser]

and how exactly are you supposed to ride around Auckland if you live there? I've rode around there a tiny bit, and it's not a Learner-Friendly city.. But yeah, I've done tonnes of 'touring'-style riding, and 70km/h at the experience level that I ride at would just be stupid.. only got another 22 days till i can sit my restricted though <-- talking about my experience level, I'm not saying I think I'm better than everyone.. I KNOW I AM!! J/K LOL haha, nah, I've done over 10,000kms in my 5 months of riding, and that doesn't include the 6 - 9 hours each day (tuesday to saturday) spent delivering mail on a bike

Great Sth Rd goes from the CBD all the way to huntly, Great Nth Rd goes from the CBD to Henderson and if you need to go to the shore you can either go through west akl & over greenheith or get on the bridge a shelly beach rd & get off at onewa rd as the bridge has a speed limit of 80km/hr you won't be holding people up much.

You may have good exp but there are others that don't and it would be a nightmare to police a law that gave exceptions to those that have the exp. One law for all.......

[ZeroIndex]

Great Sth Rd goes from the CBD all the way to huntly, Great Nth Rd goes from the CBD to Henderson and if you need to go to the shore you can either go through west akl & over greenheith or get on the bridge a shelly beach rd & get off at onewa rd as the bridge has a speed limit of 80km/hr you won't be holding people up much.

You may have good exp but there are others that don't and it would be a nightmare to police a law that gave exceptions to those that have the exp. One law for all.......

i wasn't saying i want a different law for myself (unless it had no speed limit), I'm just saying the entire 70km law is stupid, and by being in 100km zones at 100km helps you learn faster (and if you don't learn, well, then a motorbike probably isn't the safest option to go for then)

[McJim]

You may have good exp but there are others that don't and it would be a nightmare to police a law that gave exceptions to those that have the exp. One law for all.......

I agree - there should be one law for all - the whole problem here us that a 15 year old with no experience can drive a performance car at 100kmh with an experienced passenger (who wouldn't be able to do much since dual controls aren't specified) but a 36 year old with 22 years riding experience on bicycles (which I've taken over 70kph on downhill sections of road) is restricted to 70kph. The fact is there is not one law for all and the 70kph law does more harm than good in my opinion. The Government often makes a real arse of legislation in this country and sees a reversal of policy as a sign of weakness not a sign of intelligence - we are therefore saddled with a lot of poor legislation that has been compounded with worse legislation to validate it without taking the aforementioned U turn. It's the police I feel sorry for - they have to enforce it.

[crazybigal]

were is this alternative rout between wellington and the hutt? you have to go on the open road

There may be a difference in attitude of the coppas depending on where you are. Outside the main centers they are probably more lenient because sometimes you have to go on the open road.

In Aucks and Wellington, there are alternatives to the motorway and you may be more likely to get stopped.

[McJim]

Face it, there is no safe way to be a learner.

Best way to be a safe Learner - apply for your licence 6 months before you intend to get a bike. I'm going back to the cage until it's legal to drive without an L plate. Means I'll lose out on bike experience but I just have to tread the path forced on me by current legislation.