Motorcycle registration figures (August 2006)

[Motu]

Yes,I was surprised it was such a low number of claims.....but then again there are relativly few injuries in an MX,considering what they are doing especialy.Much more interesting was that after the 5 contact ball sports came horse riding as the next biggest payout category.....what sort of ACC levy do they pay,SFA.

[steved]

For those who are interested in such matters, here is the link to the vehicle registrations from 2006. Healthy jump from the 2005 figures. Looks like the buying upswing is continuing unabated.

Consecutive sales improvements of 15, 20, 28, 20 and 25% for the last 5 years. The bike shops must be having a great time.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/statistics/m...006/index.html

[cooneyr]

I found it interesting at the safeas workshop.
If I heard Ixion correctly, ACC take the cost of all motorcycle accidents and divide this by the number of registered motorcycles to decide that we are evil, all killing ourselves and costing them moon beams. Hence our big ACC content in our registrations compared to cars.

This ignores the fact that many, possibly most bikes are not registered. I know of 3 people whom wont or don't ride bikes on the road (for fear of death) yet have made ACC claims recently as a result of off road motorcycle activity. But of course their costs are being lumped on the registered motorcycles.

So does anyone have the sales figures for off road bikes as opposed to road bike please?

I agree completly that this is an arse but what the hell does ACC do about it? How do you collect an ACC levy from non competition/non reg bikes i.e. trail bikes etc etc. Slap a $x000 tax on the sale of all unregisterable bikes? Not gona work perfectly cause would buy a reg equivalent bike then not reg it i.e. a enduro bike that can be reg.

Any bright ideas?

Cheers R

[The Stranger:Me]

I agree completly that this is an arse but what the hell does ACC do about it? How do you collect an ACC levy from non competition/non reg bikes i.e. trail bikes etc etc. Slap a $x000 tax on the sale of all unregisterable bikes? Not gona work perfectly cause would buy a reg equivalent bike then not reg it i.e. a enduro bike that can be reg.

Any bright ideas?

Cheers R

Any bright ideas?
Of course.
make it a no fault no blame system - oh wait, that's what we have now (apparently), except with one exception, you guessed it, motorcycles. It occurs to me that if they just remove motorcycles as a category the problem is gone.

Why try and collect ACC on off road bikes at all. They don't on horses, jet skis, mountain bikes or any other recreational vehicle or activity etc. Thank christ they lump them in with motorcycles - yet.

HT vehicles are invloved in a disproportionately large amount of accidents, why not single them out?

ACC acknowledge that cars are the cause of a lot of the motorcycle accidents, why not single them out?

The stats lie further of course because the big ACC costs are generally when there are more than one vehicle involved and most of the multi vehicle accidents are car fault.

So in short. Keep to the original principal and keep it simple.

[swbarnett]

My question is why do we pay "levies" at all? They're just another way of taxing us. Surely it would be fairer to take things like ACC from the general income/company tax take? After all, we're not levied specifically for hospital costs.

Even if you're bed ridden and never travel on the road you still benefit from the fact that they are there (how does your food get delivered?). This principal of public good can be applied to most things the government adds a levy to.

We need to either reduce taxes or remove levies where it can be shown that the thing we are levied for is of public good.

[cooneyr]

Any bright ideas?
Of course.
make it a no fault no blame system - oh wait, that's what we have now (apparently), except with one exception, you guessed it, motorcycles. It occurs to me that if they just remove motorcycles as a category the problem is gone.

Why try and collect ACC on off road bikes at all. They don't on horses, jet skis, mountain bikes or any other recreational vehicle or activity etc. Thank christ they lump them in with motorcycles - yet.

HT vehicles are invloved in a disproportionately large amount of accidents, why not single them out?

ACC acknowledge that cars are the cause of a lot of the motorcycle accidents, why not single them out?

The stats lie further of course because the big ACC costs are generally when there are more than one vehicle involved and most of the multi vehicle accidents are car fault.

So in short. Keep to the original principal and keep it simple.

OK so your saying just levy all vehicles the same amount regardless of type? Small increase for cars and big decrease for bikes I would expect. This way is doesn't really matter who caused the accident right?

I wonder what the ACC bike levy would be if you calculated ACC's road going bike related costs (i.e. accidents caused by bikes legally on the road) over the number of registered bikes. Would that be less than current? I suspect it would be which is unfair of those who reg their bikes.

Actually what is the levy for HCV's, the same as for cars? If so this makes the ACC bike levys extremely unfair.

Interesting. Anyone got any data on this?

Cheers R

[The Stranger:Me]

OK so your saying just levy all vehicles the same amount regardless of type? Small increase for cars and big decrease for bikes I would expect. This way is doesn't really matter who caused the accident right?

I wonder what the ACC bike levy would be if you calculated ACC's road going bike related costs (i.e. accidents caused by bikes legally on the road) over the number of registered bikes. Would that be less than current? I suspect it would be which is unfair of those who reg their bikes.

Actually what is the levy for HCV's, the same as for cars? If so this makes the ACC bike levys extremely unfair.

Interesting. Anyone got any data on this?

Cheers R

Yes, keep the levy the same across the board, why just single out one group.

Would be impossible to separate out the cost of accidents on road going bikes due to the design of the form - there is no distinction between road bikes and off road. Although off road ACC costs should be paid for from the recreation fund along with horse, jet ski etc etc. But because the form has a space for motorcycle, recreational and farm related motorcycle accidents get lumped in there by the doctor, who a) doesn't know any better and b) doesn't care where the money comes from.

Sorry HCV's???

[cooneyr]

Yes, keep the levy the same across the board, why just single out one group.

Would be impossible to separate out the cost of accidents on road going bikes due to the design of the form - there is no distinction between road bikes and off road. Although off road ACC costs should be paid for from the recreation fund along with horse, jet ski etc etc. But because the form has a space for motorcycle, recreational and farm related motorcycle accidents get lumped in there by the doctor, who a) doesn't know any better and b) doesn't care where the money comes from.

Sorry HCV's???

Well the form needs changing cause it seems like an obvious check and balance on exactly this sort of issue.

HCV's are heavy commercial vehicles i.e. trucks.

Cheers R