Intro to User Infractions

[Lou Girardin]

Mods in all honesty, you will get people winging about infractions. Its the same reason they get upset when they get a speeding ticket and the same reason NZ is the way it is, people dont want to take responsibility for their actions.

As long as discretion is used and there's consistency there should be no problem.
Just like tickets should be really.

[Quasievil]

As long as discretion is used and there's consistency there should be no problem.
Just like tickets should be really.

I think you will find discretion is used as well as alot of Mods talking to each other every day about behaviour and advise on how to handle it.

[Joni]

If anyone has a major problem you have 3 choices:
1) Send a pm to a senior moderator
2) Post it in the "got a problem" thread
3) Or dont let the door hit you on the arse on the way out

Please lets not let this get any uglier than it is now. This is all very unnecessary - please dont contribute to the problem.

[Quasievil]

Good to see you sticking to your principles Finn..

With all due respect Joni, your right the place has become a circus lately, but I think it could be due to some of the moderators being Clowns.

You think? I reckon you should explain in a bit more detail, I dont agree with you.
I think the site has de generated over time to a circus of baiters and antagonists.

For me Im not clean, Ive been involved in a few riots, but apologized for it to all concerned.

but I am genuinly interested in your views

[gav]

OK. so I've managed to get an infraction for posting in the wrong forum. I posted this thread in General Bike Stuff http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34903 about possible new Ducati 1200. OK, so why is this thread titled Triumph Thruxton Cafe Racer http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34881 still in GBS, it was there before my post and it seems to remain there? Wheres the consistency??

[Quasievil]

OK. so I've managed to get an infraction for posting in the wrong forum. I posted this thread in General Bike Stuff http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34903 about possible new Ducati 1200. OK, so why is this thread titled Triumph Thruxton Cafe Racer http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34881 still in GBS, it was there before my post and it seems to remain there? Wheres the consistency??

We cant see everything at once, you do the moderating maybe and spend hours a day going through all the posts, get over it

[gav]

OK, I'll save ya some time, might want to ping these threads while youre at it.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=35073 should be in Sports/Road Bikes
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34956 should be in Hogs & Cruisers
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34951 should be in Bike Mechanics thread, under General Maintenance
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34713
Should be in Sports/Road bikes.
Hey, its alright, I understand you guys (and girls) are busy!

[SpankMe]

Thanks. Sorted. Best to use the report post function thou.

[inlinefour]

First it was getting binned, now it's loosing priveledges. Shit this is a bikers site not kindergarden.

I just got pinged "Taking thread off topic":

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...6&postcount=35

however I was merely replying to a earlier post in the thread. Its a good idea in theory, however I wonder if its been taken too far. I also wonder if someone is getting a kick out of it? At the end of the day its Spank's site, but if this is the way that its going, what does that make kiwibikers? Whats next, are we going to ban humor all together, wonder who is going to decide what is funny?

[White trash]

Yeah, I think I deserve a kick in the arse over my part in that thread too. I carried it on after OAB told us to cut it out.

So, where's me medicine?

Edit: Just while we're on this infracting subject, a couple of years ago, there was no such system. People sorted their own shit out and sometimes became good mates, eg. me and Mikey http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...249#post140249

With a moderator jumping in everytime someone gets personal nowdays, there's no hope of people sorting it out, they get SORTED and end up holding a grudge longer.

Just a thought, and I don't give a fuck either way.

[onearmedbandit]

I got tired of handing them out last night and went to bed, wait your turn Jimmy!

[Maha]

And i thought i was nice boy..........
2 points awarded i think, is that how it works....oh dear. how sad, never mind.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...933#post762933

[outlawtorn]

I don't see what the big deal is about infractions, guys it's just a website, not real life, take it easy and chill........(I'm only realy saying this because I am still knackered and trying to recover from the Black Label Society gig on Saturday)

[inlinefour]

Has anyone thought about the damage that this infraction business is doing? Just now I've had a mod admit in the chatroom that thy enjoy handing out infractions out because it pisses people off. If this is whats happening and I suspect that it probably is and that certian individuals probably get targeted due to past wrong doings, don't the whole infraction system come into disrepute? Sounds like it might be getting abused and being used for some pretty petty stuff. I've allready recieved something that I 100% disagree with and yet is boils down to what another individual (in this case a mod) thinks of a post and not what the original poster was intending. Also there definitely is alot of course posts make by Quasi, yet he is happily handing out infractions to others for equal or even less. Spank, did you seriously think about how the infraction system was going to impact on the site, or are you just sitting back with a beer pissing yourself with laughter? With all this bullshit thats going on, I simply cannot see how the infraction system has improved kiwibiker what so ever.

[Ixion]

The more I see of this infraction system, the more I believe it is a mistake.

It has changed the whole nature of moderation.

I have watched, and bitten my tongue for quite some time. I think it is time I spoke.

I view moderation as a service function. The role of the moderator (IMHO) should be to help, guide, faciliate. The oiler and greaser and remover of obstacles. Only occasionally having (reluctant) recourse to sanctions when someone is stuffing things up for others.

The infraction system has turned moderators into policemen, and has (again, IMHO) led to an unfortunate power struggle bewteen some moderators and some members.

I do not think it is contributing to the overall good of the site .

I also have a perception (and this is only a personal thing, I speak entirely as a member, not a moderator ) that some people have a very fixed idea of what Kiwibiker should be and are intent on using the infraction system to turn the site into their ideal. That ideal , unfortunately, is not one which I would share, and one that I think a lot of other members would not subscribe to .

Nor am I by any means convinced that the infraction system is necessary or even serves any useful purpose. It is argued that there are "too many wankers" on the site and there is "too much crap being talked". I am probably not the best person to comment on this, because almost certainly I am one of the wankers mentioned. But I think the discontent about "too much crap" is only valid in the context of the ambition , mentioned above, of some people to turn the site into one very much more narrowly focused and exclusive.

It is said that some members are disruptive. I do not think that I would be letting any cats out of bags if I name names. Messrs WINJA, Crazy Steve, Mikey, The Dover, hXc, Inlinefour, and others are I am sure well aware that they are regarded with disfavour.

I have to say for the record that I have never personally been the subject of anything from those members (or , indeed, with one exception, any member) to which I could reasonably object.

I have been red repped by some of them., But in fairness, only after I teased them. So I asked for it.

And I have found them, and all members , responsive to remonstrance and reasonable request.

I do not see that the infraction system is serving any useful purpose. And it is causing a great deal of damage to the site.