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Thread: Biker down: Murrays Bay, Auckland - what the heck happened??? (17 August)

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    biker sum: bikeri nil a me alienum puto

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    biker sum: bikeri nil a me alienum puto

    (Sorry Mr Hitcher)
    Translation?
    Speed doesn't kill people.
    Stupidity kills people.

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    2 issues as I see it...

    1) Drink driving... bloody idiot. No question of that
    2) Despite the stupidity of what hapened, there is a need for moderation in commentary of the death of anyone. Love 'em, hate 'em or not even knowing them... someone cared... and they cared a lot.

    Don't ruin it for them

    Don't belittle yourself by trying. If you don't care about an individual/stranger, I'd ask for some moderation in comments in respect of those that died, those that ARE directly affected, and those that care.

    What harm does it do?

    The drunk driving issue is a big and very real one - take it up in another thread if appropriate - surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin View Post
    Translation?

    For thee? 'Tis nearly thy native tongue

    A mangled epigram of Terentius (apologie sto his shade)

    "I am a biker, and thus think nothing that affects any biker irrelevant to me."
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    For thee? 'Tis nearly thy native tongue

    A mangled epigram of Terentius (apologie sto his shade)

    "I am a biker, and thus think nothing that affects any biker irrelevant to me."
    Io capisco. Grazie amici.
    Speed doesn't kill people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey View Post
    Just because we have an activity in-common, it doesn't make us kindred bum-buddies. You're about as "fellow biker" to me as the next random idiot, I don't owe you or anyone else anything just because I also happen to ride a motorcycle.

    I have 2 problems with this thread:

    1. I don't see anyone giving 2 shits about people in other walks of life that pass away. I also don't see why 'sensitivity' is defined by geography. I've never seen a 'RIP' post for any of the KIA's in Bob's posts from the U.K., why is that?

    2. I have absolutely no problem with people posting something from a personal experience, i.e. a friend, family member or colleague, but give these bloody comms reports about 'biker down' a freaking rest. I certainly wouldn't want any of my friends to find out an accident I may have been in 3rd hand from some twat I don't who posted it all over the website. Posting a copy of a fatal accident comms report serves no purpose what-so-ever. It's a report for the emergency services, keep it on their network and off this board.

    Get some perspective.
    1. If your friends are hearing about your accident through a shared interests website first (when previously it's been reported on a newspaper's website) then I pity you cos you don't seem to have very good friends.
    2. Any (normal) group of people with a shared interest will generally always share more than just that interest. You might not become best buddies, but there's a connection there.
    3. If you're not interested in looking out for fellow bikers and sharing in their good times, bad times, ideas and questions, then why bother registering for, logging on to, and posting on a biking website? It's a lot of effort for a group of people who are:
    about as "fellow biker" to me as the next random idiot
    Get over yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    2 issues as I see it...

    1) Drink driving... bloody idiot. No question of that
    2) Despite the stupidity of what hapened, there is a need for moderation in commentary of the death of anyone. Love 'em, hate 'em or not even knowing them... someone cared... and they cared a lot.

    Don't ruin it for them

    Don't belittle yourself by trying. If you don't care about an individual/stranger, I'd ask for some moderation in comments in respect of those that died, those that ARE directly affected, and those that care.

    What harm does it do?

    The drunk driving issue is a big and very real one - take it up in another thread if appropriate - surely?
    Hmmm. I see where you are coming from, but having been killed and resussed 8 times in an ambulance on the way to hospital thanks to a drunk, and my brother-in-law run over on the footpath at 17 and having his liver lacerated by a drunk I have no tolerance for drink driving. Despite comments in another thread, I REALLY have no tolerance.

    The parked car could just have easily have been a mother pushing a push chair with baby in it and toddler standing on the back.

    Drunk Driving is almost as selfish as suicide. I can't see that this individual warrants a single wasted tear.

    Ixion you have a point, but this type of accident just affirms the non-motorcycling public's attitude to those stupid bikers. It's certainly not irrelevant, but it was pointless, stupid, and affects perception of the rest of us by a tiny but possibly not insignificant increment given the amount of institutional distaste for the noble art and science of motorcycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judecatmad View Post
    1. Pointless jibberjabber
    Yeah, like "whatever"....

    Quote Originally Posted by judecatmad View Post
    2. Any (normal) group of people with a shared interest will generally always share more than just that interest. You might not become best buddies, but there's a connection there.
    And your point is? Just because there is some sort of statistical or qualitative connection, it doesn't mean I need to treat this anonymous idiot any differently to a non-motorcycle riding idiot.

    Quote Originally Posted by judecatmad View Post
    3. More 'I don't actually read posts' dribble...
    Are you illiterate? Didn't you bloody well read my qualifier? I don't have a problem with with genuine, personal experiences to be shared with others. Like Lou said, you'd be bloody busy here all day shedding tears for all the people you never met who died in MVA's, let alone any other way of kicking the proverbial bucket.

    Quote Originally Posted by judecatmad View Post
    Get over yourself.
    Bite my ass you noob. Try reading posts properly before you (feebly) attempt to lay in to them and feed your superiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judecatmad View Post
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    3. If you're not interested in looking out for fellow bikers and sharing in their good times, bad times, ideas and questions, then why bother registering for, logging on to, and posting on a biking website? It's a lot of effort for a group of people who are:
    The difference is that most of these RIP threads are about totally unknown people. Most aren't KB'ers (thank god).
    It still strikes me as very strange. Perhaps people have so little personal contact with death these days that it's become fashionable to express grief at every occurance.
    Speed doesn't kill people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin View Post
    Io capisco. Grazie amici.
    Knew y'would. You're welcome
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Sorry, ive actually just read this thread,

    What a man, Instead of bitching about falling and getting to a hostpiable he picks up his bike and jumps back on (with assistance) and rides on! Ok maybe it wasnt the smartest choise(I think he may of had a concussion mixed with some adrenerlin that influenced his decion making skills), but he really did ride till he died. A true biker.

    RIP fellow biker, RIP
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    Is that the best you've got? I'm disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin View Post
    The difference is that most of these RIP threads are about totally unknown people. Most aren't KB'ers (thank god).
    It still strikes me as very strange. Perhaps people have so little personal contact with death these days that it's become fashionable to express grief at every occurance.
    I totally agree Lou.

    I was having this conversation on Friday night. Does anyone really shed a tear when they hear about the death of a random stranger? Even if they did ride the same bike, wear the same underpants and drink the same horrendously overpriced european beer?

    Being a biker doesn't give me any kind of hidden connection with other bikers, just a subject to talk shit about it the pub. No more so than playing the guitar or being a fan of Boyzone.

    Is the outpouring of faux pseudo grief really necessary? You don't know anything else about that person other than they died on a motorbike. They could have a number of hidden interests or dark secrets that would make them your most loathed being.

    If you know them then fair enough, there is a personal connection and the grief is understandable but there are plenty of other non bike related deaths that no one seems to be too affected by.

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    Anyone see the paradox in grieving about a dead biker, then telling a live biker to "go fuck himself"?
    We're a close knit group alright.
    Speed doesn't kill people.
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    Thing is , few , if any , of us are saints.

    We have, I'm sure, all done stupid stuff . And, by the grace of the Biker Gods, gotten away with it. I know I have.

    In this case someone who shared our interest, who rode the roads we ride, who any of us may perhaps have waved to , who felt the same wind in has face, was jolted by the same bumps, felt the same exhileration at a corner nicely taken; a brother in short; made a stupid decision . In his case the Biker Gods frowned, and he paid a terrible price.

    The nature of that decision will temper any feeling of sympathy. But cannot remove the fact that one with whom I shared a pastime, a love, a world, is no more with us.

    Faults and blemishes and warts and all, he was a biker, and I'll mourn his passing.

    As, indeed I'll mourn the passing of any biker anywhere in teh world. But the closer to home it is, the more poignant.

    RIP brother.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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