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    I blame the Labour government.
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    I blame Steve Jobs.
    If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?



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    I blame Mr Biff. Cos he's Welch, it's what they're for . Why mess with 800 years of tradition.
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    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
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    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    Access to tools and thing like OSH make some stuff difficult!

    Making a little project at the mo and was going to turn it all up myself but getting access to the gear is a pain in the arse, plus I have little experiance as I couldnt take metal work etc at school as that would of stopped other more important classes such as two math, three sciences etc that had to be taken through to get the quals needed to get in to uni etc

    So using CAD skills learnt at uni/self taught to put ideas to paper and with a little/lot of help from cadanimal gettin those in the know to do it.
    It's been said before on here re: doing "stuff" - the best way to learn is by getting stuck in. Find or create a plan and as long as it's not too complicated to start with then you shouldn't have a problem. Thing is, being a clever student, as you are, your project is probably going to be a little more complicated than most people would attempt. If I don't know how to do something I ask, then have a go, then ask again, have another go then pay someone to fix my mistakes!
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    The problem is in society's values.

    Society projects the belief that academics are somehow 'superior' to artisans and craftsmen ............ and regards with something approaching contempt those who earn a living by getting their hands dirty

    Until our thinking changes and 'dirty' is no longer used as an insult the price of plumbers, carpenters, mechanics and bakers will continue to rise ..... and their scarcity increase.
    ... ...

    Grass wedges its way between the closest blocks of marble and it brings them down. This power of feeble life which can creep in anywhere is greater than that of the mighty behind their cannons....... - Honore de Balzac

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlashWylde View Post
    ... structure of my electronics and software degree course is changing dramatically... NZCE I did 10 years ago.
    It's common knowledge in The Industry (tm) that chaps with NZCEs outrank chaps without, due to the much higher likelihood of their being able to do useful work.

    Look, folks, in the end, it just comes down to individuals.

    If you don't like the way things are going, learn what you need to know, do a bit of academic nancying around, and get a job lecturing at the university or polytechnic of your choice. Mold young minds in your image.

    I torment myself regularly with the idea of doing just that, but I couldn't afford the pay cut. Vanilla lecturers without tenure are the bottom of the food chain.

    But someone's gotta do it for love, and one day I will.

    Stop bitching about the system, gentlemen, and start making a difference. Good teachers are like terrorists; they wage asymmetrically-effective warfare against shit that needs to go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph View Post

    Society projects the belief that academics are somehow 'superior' to artisans and craftsmen ............ and regards with something approaching contempt those who earn a living by getting their hands dirty
    No, no, no! Society doesn't value academics at all! A modern University is almost utterly bereft of the spirit of collegiate exploration. It is totally about churning out graduate "knowledge workers". Not people that create knowledge, but people that manipulate the media in which knowledge resides. People that create knowledge have been kicked out of Universities because they refuse to to work on projects that will make money for the University's corporate benfactors.

    Society wants their kids to be Doctors, and Lawyers, and "Businessmen".

    Because they don't have to grovel in the shit, or get dirty, or maybe hurt themselves while they make someone else's life better. Instead they can farm money, using the platforms provided by the "knowledge workers".

    In the meantime, the fundamentals of what makes a society work, like roads, energy networks, dry ,well ventilated housing, and food distribution networks decay to the point of failure.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph View Post
    Until our thinking changes and 'dirty' is no longer used as an insult the price of plumbers, carpenters, mechanics and bakers will continue to rise ..... and their scarcity increase.
    Until our thinking changes.....and people stop thinking that tradesmen are out to rip them off,overcharge,charge for work never done,damage property to get the repair.Until our thinking changes....and people stop holding tradesmen responsable for problems not caused by them,but a fault already existing,blaming when there is no one to blame.Until our thinking changes.....and people stop thinking that $60 is overcharging,when the work they do themselves is charged out at an even higher rate......then you may get some poor suckers back into trades.I love my job - I hate what it's become.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph View Post
    'dirty' is no longer used as an insult the price of plumbers, carpenters, mechanics and bakers will continue to rise...
    You know, I reckon that's an urban myth.

    I don't know anyone with a lack of respect for guys in those professions.
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    Dead right Fish. It's FINDING a good one that's a pain in the arse. They're usually doing 90% of the work at 50% of the rates the blokes that never turn up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    They're usually doing 90% of the work at 50% of the rates the blokes that never turn up.
    I tried, and I tried, but I just can't parse that sentence.

    Are you pissed?

    Goddammit. *I* should be pissed. Where's my fucking Laphroaig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    You know, I reckon that's an urban myth.

    I don't know anyone with a lack of respect for guys in those professions.
    Thus spoke Zarathustra. Hmmm. Laphroaig...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Thus spoke Zarathustra.
    Bom, bom, bom... ba BUUUUUMMM!!!

    Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum.

    Bom, bom, bom... ba BAAAAAAAAAUUUM!!!

    DA DA DUMMM, DAAAAAAA... DADA DAAAAA!

    (Bom, bom, bom)

    DADA DAAAAAA, DAAAAAAAA DA DA DAAAA!

    (Dum dum dum!)

    DA DA DAAA... DAAAA DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Bom, bom, bom... ba BUUUUUMMM!!!
    Careful, you'll get the drummers all excited...

    But not a bad rendition of Richard Strauss' trinitarian chords.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Careful, you'll get the drummers all excited...
    Nah. That'd be the "Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum" part.

    Anyway, everyone knows that 'drummers' can't stand playing percussion in classical compositions. Cultural overdose, innit. Now pass the doobie, and get the fuck away from me with those hair clippers.
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