Panic - new roads to be built to suit a 90k speed

[candor]

A copy and paste of freaky conspiracy evidence from SafeAs website.
Must go to show an 80 k open road limit is on the cards?!?!!

Posted today by "Kade" who works for some council I gather..

"I am currently doing a Diploma in Civil Engineering, specialising in roading, and was shocked to discover we were being told to engineer roads for speeds of 90km/h. I raised this point with the lecturer, and our next design was set at 100km/h, but the response I got was really along the lines of "if we make it so they can go faster, they will" which is a good point, but from what I gather it works well enough in Germany..."

KBer Squeaks inquisitive reply

"Kade, can you please tell us the name of your lecturer and what institute you are studying with. I would like to get an response from them on this as I find this very disturbing.

We are designing the roads to ensure that Speed Kills."

Squeaks last statement needs to be given to any one with a big mouth we can find - like say Don Brash, Simon Powers, Winston Peters, Holmes (is he still around).... What to do? (wringing hands).

[ManDownUnder]

What to do? (wringing hands).

Find someone with a big mouth, with an agenda served by shouting about it.

The media
BRONZ
The Opposition Minister of Transport Safety (is there one?)
Ministry of Economic Development +opposition
Ministry of Health + opposition

[Deano]

Which forum is it in ?

Can you post a link so I can raise this at the Masterton workshop ?

[Drum]

That may be what they are getting taught, but I assure you that is not what is getting designed in the real world (if such a thing exists).

We used to use a design speed of 111km/h for the rural environment unless difficult topography dictated otherwise (in which case you get a nice yellow sign telling you to go slower).

A corner with a design speed of 111 km/h could safely be navigated by a modern car at 120 km/h. Probably more on a bike.

[candor]

http://www.safeas.govt.nz/smf/index.php?topic=34.0

There's the thread. And a dig at the Queen of safe as is on the "MOT is here" thread in general section.

Hopefully it's just one lecturer who's seen one speed ad too many.

[Motu]

I doubt it - they would be putting bends into roads,not taking them out as the seem to be the last few years.Years ago some parts of our State Highways were a challenge - now you can set your cruise control to 100kmh and go to sleep....I thought this was the aim?

[eliot-ness]

Wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It's not likely to happen in any of our lifetimes.
When was the last time a new road was built in NZ, apart from motorways? It would be practically impossible to build even a basic dirt road with a maximum of 80kph without putting speed bumps every 50 mtrs.

[Ixion]

I really wish they would do this.

If they engineered the road for 70kph (say), presumably that would mean tight corners, sharp bends and such like. That would slow Mabel down to 70kph. But what is that to us? Just the sort of road we like, surely? And it's hardly going to be 70kph for us. And if all the Stans and Mabels are doddering along at 70 , going "oo-eer, slow down dear", then there will be less pressure for speed limits.

It is the reverse that is happening , that I dislike. Raods being made easy, and Mabel getting carried away with the Demon, crashing and getting the PTB all a tizzy. Then they come out with sily ideas.

[avgas]

I doubt it - they would be putting bends into roads,not taking them out as the seem to be the last few years.Years ago some parts of our State Highways were a challenge - now you can set your cruise control to 100kmh and go to sleep....I thought this was the aim?

Karangahape Gorge........may she rest her poor soul....we will miss her

[The Pastor]

I don't know about you, but im all for corners! and killing cops....

[WINJA]

lets bash andy knackstead to death

[Deano]

A corner with a design speed of 111 km/h could safely be navigated by a modern car at 120 km/h. Probably more on a bike.

Unless you're a muppet. (at least 10% of the driving population ??)

lets bash andy knackstead to death

"Let's" is probably overkill. He doesn't look like he could take a hit.

How about two 55kg female Kiwibikers vs Randy Andy, (real name Mandy) knackerhead in a pool of jelly ??

[Toast]

How about two 55kg female Kiwibikers vs Randy Andy, (real name Mandy) knackerhead in a pool of jelly ??

I hate bikers and corners too...can I have a go after him?

[quickbuck]

I really wish they would do this.

If they engineered the road for 70kph (say), presumably that would mean tight corners, sharp bends and such like. That would slow Mabel down to 70kph. But what is that to us? Just the sort of road we like, surely? And it's hardly going to be 70kph for us. And if all the Stans and Mabels are doddering along at 70 , going "oo-eer, slow down dear", then there will be less pressure for speed limits.

It is the reverse that is happening , that I dislike. Raods being made easy, and Mabel getting carried away with the Demon, crashing and getting the PTB all a tizzy. Then they come out with sily ideas.

Well Said!

On a similar note I found out what those speed advisory signs mean on bends when I first got a bike in MPH (98 GSX600).
When approaching one that says 65 you adjust the throttle until the speedo says... *Ahem*.. 65, and tip the bike in, and it is the perfect speed to travel around the bend. It works for all except the ones that say 15. If you try to do 15 around these the bike falls over (as it was around that transition point between steering in and counter steering).

[candor]

There IS A vocal lobby group for speed limit reductions for oh say the next 20 years (just until the roads are sorted). Read about it and weep

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK0508/S00090.htm

Could be why they're running the safe as programming sessions.

SPEED KILLS SPEED KILLS SPEED KILLS - You know the stuck record, and its a proven fact that more people break the limit when its set lower so this would be VERY good for maximising revenue.

Heres the link. And the guy mentioned in it called Tony Bliss is the World Bank head honcho of traffic economics - we believe it was him who set the greatest enforceable risk policy which is so very enriching.