Unfuckingbelievable

[marty]

i knew i had seen this loser's bike somewhere....


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...px?id=71701182

[jade]

Thats my old one, where the driver knocked me off
"looks like it has been pampered in the past" ...you got no idea buddy

[duncan_bayne]

Man, that sucks. BTDT, though ... 17 years old, ex-proddy TZR250 that I'd owned for a fortnight, overcooked a corner out in the Pahongina valley, wrote the thing off & put a hole in my knee :-(

I actually test rode an RS250 before buying my GSXR600 ... I only bought the GSXR because I wanted to carry a pillion on long-ish trips, & because of the RS's servicing costs. But man the RS was a sweet little bike ...

On the positive side, if there's enough of it left, you might have the basis of a beautiful trackday bike.

[Kyle]

So many posts, so much love. Myself i rode a dirtbike for a couple of years, crashed in the dirt lots, and learnt alot too. Then i got my first road bike, tzr250 2stroke. Perhaps i got lucky because i rode that old tzr250 like i was ghostrider (he wasnt around ten years ago) rode it into the ground actully, had a few close calls which my dirtbike experiance saved me from, but never crashed it on the road (only on the dirt, trying to dirtbike with it)
I dont know about the aprilla, but that tzr could nearly do 200kph when it was running right (with a tail wind). I agree totally that for a learner many 250`s are too powerfull, but the same could be said for cars, i wonder how many 'raceboy' drivers have there full licence.

Personally i dont believe in insurance. Just have to look at the companys selling it, those big companys got big somehow, clearly making plenty of profit. That story about 7700 damage cost and 4000 insurance excess kinda proves my point. However i also wont be buying something i cant afford to pay cash for, nor riding in a way that any crash with the local rolls royce, could be considered my fault.

Dont listen to those old fuddy duddys when they say give up riding, you are nearing the good part where you take all the experiance from your past rides, good and bad, and learn from it, move forwards and adjust. Personally ive had trouble with following other riders too, i think my brain is race-wired to say 'vehicle ahead, must keep up, maybe even pass it' and its taken me ten years to gain a type of control. Firstly i ride alone, that way you ride at your own pace, helps alot. Secondly i suppose is the ominous mr plod, ive had enough tickets that hes a permant thought when im on the road, that keeps the speed down even more than general self control.

Honestly though, listen to the people saying do it on a race track, i used to think a bit of twisty road was fun, but since ive been to three track days at taupo racetrack, i consider the open road abit boring and very dangerous in comparision. I mean seriously, on the track you learn to trust your bike, for me 3 trackdays taught me more than ten years of road riding. starting off slow and increasing speed as you learn the track, lap after lap. Can now lean it so far over that parts you didnt relise you had start draging on the track. And you can be sure there is nothing to hit, like people or cars or barbed wire fences or cows (yes ive seen a bike that crashed into a cow, vtr1000 bounced into the ditch, cow was fine) And in 30 years, i rate my three track days as best days of my life (skydiving comes to mind but still doesnt win)

Anyway that enough rambling from me.

ps: and dont listen to them 'get a cruiser' types either, i had one once, you can still ride them like a demon if you try hard enough.

[slimjim]

lad there's a white cross sitting close by for you!! yup you best heed.

[duncan_bayne]

Just get out and ride the twistys by yourself some more, you'll be fine. Don't ride with your mates just yet... unless you can let yourself let them go. Some people are faster than you, never be sucked into chasing them

+1 to that ... the fastest I've ever been on the road was trying (& failing) to keep up with a guy on a GSXR1100 when I was on my GSXR600. He was faster round the corners too, smoother & could read the road better than I could.

I had a number of 'moments' but kept going ... in hindsight, I should have backed off & let him go.

[Wenier]

Man i agree with some of the others get a slow 250 maybe a 4stroke 4cyl still be fun, and take it easy till ya feel ya have full, and i mean full control.

maybe even restore the rs for track only. By the sounds of it you are lucky not to be dead, personally in the amount of time stated no one on the road should have that many crashes.

[Delirium]

iv read the whole thread. first things first, glad your alive and well. secondly, dont give up riding, because i trust you've learn ten times as much as what everyone else thinks you have.

iv been in the same situation almost, with cars. i had a car that could hit 190 repeatedly, one day i did a U-turn and someone tried to overtake me and went straight into my drivers door. im sure he was going fast because i looked in the rear vision mirror 5 second before i was about to turn around. ok, i accept it was my fault... then, 2 weeks later it was raining after work and for some stupid reason i had the need for speed. so i went the long way home, braked to hard for the corner and put it into a fence-wrote it off.

since then i got a mk2 escort that didnt go fast in a straight line but boy could that thing handle! it taught me alot about control and driving, and i learnt alot. then it got stolen.. nothing i could have done about that... so then im back to square one...

now iv got money saved away and am ready to but my own bike after riding a few mates and thoroughly enjoyed them. this is al in the period of about 1 and a half years.

so im sure you've learnt your lesson. now you need to find self control and think first before you hop on your bike.

[duncan_bayne]

Buying a slower bike won't necessarily make you a safer rider - because if you're determined to go fast, you'll just push harder on the brakes & through the corner, actually increasing the chances of a crash. In the end, I sold my 600 because to push it even remotely hard on the road was costing me too much in terms of fines (not to mention half the points on my license in one hit) - but the nastiest crashes I've ever had were on small bikes (TZR250, GSXR250, CG125).

If you hit a truck at 100km/h, you will suffer the same injuries if you launched yourself from an A100 or a VTR1000.

In fact, the second nastiest crash I ever had was on a CG125 ... how I walked away from that I don't know. Lost control on a patch of wet leaf-litter (outriding my visibility), hit the kerb (Centennial Drive out by Massey) at around 100, flipped the bike end over end, smashed up the tailpiece, bent the swingarm, and went head over heels myself. If that had been tarmac rather than deep mud (yay for Palmy winters!) I'd have been in deep shit. As it was, I ached for days & spent days trying to get the mud out of the bike.

By the sounds of it you might just enjoy yourself more on the track. I am seriously considering (in the future, budget isn't there yet) buying a cruiser for the road, and a racebike for the track.

[SinstaNSR]

Ride with your head not your wrist =P

[Big Dave]

i knew i had seen this loser's bike somewhere....


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...px?id=71701182

Tells me I have to log in?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Young dumb and full of cum...

150km on the open road and you call that safe???? WTF are you smoking... In my eyes you simply broke the law... and you paid for with the loss of your bike and nearly the loss of your life...

however I'm not going to ream you out every one else has done that for me for sure... But I am glad to see you saying its a wake up call...

First thing:
Learn the quirks of any bike before you go mad on it. It took me a week before I took my baby out on the open road... and a month before I was comfortable to take a pillion... (though weather had something to do with the delay... errr) But I was learning the bike, what it could do, what it couldn't do... the way the brakes worked, the throttle, how the bike was setup, ie suspension, gears... ie between 1st and second the gear change is clunky but fine for the rest, something I have to be aware of when



Each bike has its own quirks, from the way it handles to where the frack is the horn. You can have to exactly the same models and setups and both those bikes will handle ever so differently might not be much but it will be noticable. So if you rebuild it wont be the same bike as such.

You want to go fast, then please do it on the race track, there are heaps of race days.. heck join a club, learn to do it properly and safely and heck as stated else where the 150km would be considered as slow. But you will learn how to handle your machine.

[duncan_bayne]

150km on the open road and you call that safe???? WTF are you smoking... In my eyes you simply broke the law... and you paid for with the loss of your bike and nearly the loss of your life...

150km/h on the open road can, in fact, be perfectly safe, just as 50km/h can be wildly unsafe under the right (wrong?) circumstances. Don't buy into the "speed kills" propaganda. Inappropriate speed kills - the point is that you must develop the experience to know what is appropriate, and that varies with the bike, the conditions, and the state of the rider.

[The Stranger:Me]

should I give up riding?

Either that or get yourself gelded.

One lesson here which a lot of people don't get. Learn your bike before you hoon it. Not just you, how many gixxer riders bin it in the first few weeks? By all means hoon if you must, but learn the bike first. The majority of accidents happen in the first few months of owning a new bike.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

150km/h on the open road can, in fact, be perfectly safe, just as 50km/h can be wildly unsafe under the right (wrong?) circumstances. Don't buy into the "speed kills" propaganda. Inappropriate speed kills - the point is that you must develop the experience to know what is appropriate, and that varies with the bike, the conditions, and the state of the rider.

On NZ roads, with NZ road conditions, Our roading system is not designed for this kind of speed with on coming traffic, (our roads here are absolute crap compared to most other countries and there isa reason for this to but thats another thread in itself) and other people on the road... the law being 100kph... (no ifs and or buts including over taking another vehicle) no its not particularly safe under any circumstance you are not the only one on the road and you don't have to make the mistake to be wipped out. And if you believe otherwise...well you have a problem or as big an idiot as the OP was.

I totally agree that 50kph can be unsafe in the wrong circumstances, so why raise the odds by doing 150???

In controlled conditions yes, if the road is close for the event, or on a track... go for gold... go hard out... but on the open road and the unperdictable things is not control and anything can happen, you don't only put your life in danger but every other person on the road.