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[James Deuce]

I'm with RantyDave on this one, mostly because I'd end up being held responsible for the unpaid fines relating to being unlicensed.

"I'm broke Dad, can you lend (HA!) me some money to pay my fines?"

"NO! Get a job deadbeat!"

3 months later.

Mr Bailiff: "Mr Dad, your sprout hasn't paid these 3 $200 fines for breaching learner license laws, with admin charges and compound interest these are now $10,000. You have two weeks to pay. Thank you."

$10,000 dollars later.

Mr Flash Benz driver: " I didn't see your sprout even though I followed the sprout for 20kms down SH2. However sprout fell off on a combination of pea gravel and oil and has been charged with careless driving, making sprout the guilty party in destroying the $8000 grill and both $2000 dollar headlight units on my Flash Benz. As sprout was unlicensed and uninsured, and was mumbling something about being an unemployed deadbeat before lapsing into a coma, I would suggest that you can pay me $12,000 to repair my vehicle, or I can drag you through the courts and cost you a couple of decent mortgages. Your decision."

[Mom]

just wait your time, do a defensive driving course and get your licence, and save yourself a lot of hassle, you don't want to end up writing a $7000 bike off without insurance now do you?

Or doing damage to someone elses vehicle uninsured, those insurance people dont stop persuing a debt from an uninsured person.....

[beyond]

I haven't got a problem with it if people are responsible but some valid points:

1. Insurance. You are screwed as you are outside the terms of your licence.
Scenario: you are speeding, a new Merceded happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you whack it and survive. You got a healthy bank account? Now you have no bike and say a $25,000 repair bill to cover as well, plus the ticket and/or loss of what licence you have.

2. Not picking on the younger people here as many are very good riders. It is proven beyond doubt that until the age of 25, the frontal lobe on the brain is not fully developed which means under the age of 25 you are more reckless, think you are invincible and don't recognise threats or danger as quickly as someone over the age of 25.

If you are going to do this on a restricted, I suggest waiting till you have your full and as you are a young fella, you aren't going to listen anyway, so be darned careful okay? Please!

[dnos]

hmmmmm, thats an interesting question.

I think that really you should suck it up and live with a 250 till ya get your restricted, for all those reasons said by others.
Its not really going to take that long is it? And if you really want the excitement of a new bike then go get one - a 250.
I wouldn't have thought that you can learn any more on a 600 than a 250 but i wouldn't really know only ridden one once. Only thing i can see you really learning is how it feels to go over 200kph.

Seriously - think on it long and hard

[muzz]

beyond: You summed it up with your last sentance.

Three teenage boys and you learn to let them flex a little, and be there for support, but as the parent you should be making sure that they are responceable for their actions.
Wonna play with the big boys, stand up and take it like a man.

[gamgee]

hmmmmm, thats an interesting question.

I think that really you should suck it up and live with a 250 till ya get your restricted, for all those reasons said by others.
Its not really going to take that long is it? And if you really want the excitement of a new bike then go get one - a 250.
I wouldn't have thought that you can learn any more on a 600 than a 250 but i wouldn't really know only ridden one once. Only thing i can see you really learning is how it feels to go over 200kph.

Seriously - think on it long and hard

you shouldn't have posted if you don't know anything...

[nezorf]

as said before the only problem is if u hi some 200k merc and u got no insurance, also breaching licence conditions, how tempeted are you to twist the trottle right back? thats more important if you are not going to speed, you might as well be back on a 250, and if you do speed, you should have a large bank balance and a pre-payed plot at the local grave yard.

[Damon]

If your still on your learners then i'd stick with a 250, if you've got the money for a 600 then perhaps you could look into a 2 stroke, something like a RGV or NSR, they will see you past 180kph easy and handle very well, then you can insure it and don't have to worry about the cops giving you tickets for your licence

[The_Dover]

I'd say don't be a cock.

What makes you above the law? There are plenty of fast fuckers out there on 250's. Can you afford the consequences of wrecking a 600 if you say that $$ are preventing you from getting a restricted licence?

By asking the stupid fucking question in the first place you are proving that you aren't mature enough.

Use what money you have to fix up your shitter, get a restricted and do whatever courses are available to accelerate your progression to a full.

And those saying to get a 400?? What difference does it make? He's still breaking the same rules, taking on the same responsibilities and putting himself in the same vulnerable position just with less horsies.

I'm not questioning anyones abilities to ride here, just their responsibilities.

[elle-f]

I agree with Dover - what makes you above the law? its there for a reason.
as for your parents - they are probably saying no out of 1. concern for your safety as good parents should and 2. because it IS illegal and good on them.

i must admit though that its good you are actually asking a bit in here although i think you have probably made up your own mind. Think about when you do crash and who you might crash into - could you honestly say you could pay your way out to fix a car? doesnt even need to be a flash one to cost a couple of thousand bucks then pay the court fees? i probably think not considering you still are saving for that bike. i know its exciting though wanting a new bike and seeing one you want.

my advice is like many others here - and yes, i am an old fart HAHA BUT get a faster 250 until you can legally get insured with a 600 then go for it.

hope you make the right decision.

[gamgee]

I didn't mean now, i meant a 400 as the next bike, when he's legal

[McJim]

I'm a 36 year old on a Learner licence....My mum and dad are 17,000 km away....d'you guys think I should get myself a 'Busa....with added Turbo AND NO2?

Seriously, just suck it up and stick to the laws - there is plenty of time coz you're a young fella. When you've sat your full licence and you buy your first big bike you'll feel a lot more personal satisfaction than if you buy a big bike illegally, always having to ride looking over your shoulder in case the cops stop you. It's all been said before. Doing it right will earn you more respect from other KBers...at least you asked which means there's a chance you'll listen to what the others have to say.

[Ixion]

ok, so i guess stick to the 250? mmm would there be a difference if i sold and bought something newer then a 1988?

Hey, don't go letting them talk you out of it! You need to get that 600 while you still know everything there is to know about riding. If you wait you won't know it all any more.

it would make it easier on a quik 250 that could say barel along at about 180?! lol

180 pfft. A rider of your experience and maturity shouldn't be satisfied with a measly 180. You're not a man unless you can hit the double ton every time you go out. You need at LEAST 200kph.

Go for the 600 . In fact , why bugger around, a litre bike doesn't cost hardly any more, that's want you really need.

Don't worry about your parents, what they think doesn't matter anyway, you want to prove you're a man don't you so why take any notice of them. And anyway, in the long run you'd be doing them a favour.

The site needs a new squid, we keep running out, they get used up so quick. You'll be joining an illustrious company, for a little while at any rate.

I mean toi say, who wants to get old, anyway.

[R6_kid:Me]

k well its for me im 18, and yerr i can ride competently - cant I gijoe ?! lol

my dad gave me the money when i was 18... still paying him back a year later. He knows i can ride, because he paid for me to do RRRS back in the day (his mates brother helps run it) and i'd been riding for nearly 3years prior without incident.

I dont think age has anything to do with it. There are >17yr olds that race superbikes... but that is racing not road riding, honestly you need to look at yourself and think WHY? To look cool? Because you want an extra challenge? (not good on the road), your riding peers believe you have the experience to handle a 600+ bike (from their own experience).

Trust me mate, unless you have some really natural talent (like texmo) the stepup to a 600 wont be easy. Most people cant just get on one and go out and ride the same pace as they could on their 250, its a whole extra learning curve and if you dont respect the beast it WILL show you who is boss (experienced in this situation)... it also tires you out much quicker if you are into open road riding, and there are stronger forces to deal with than you are currently facing on your 250 - something that catches most new 'big bike' riders out.

At the end of the day its up to you, if you are 18 then you can leave home and look after yourself so NO your parents cannot do anything legal to stop you getting a bigger bike pre-full licence. They may kick you out, but either way... take into consideration what i and others have said and have a good think about it. If you want to talk the finer details send me a PM and i'll tell you how i'm coping as a student with a 'modern' supersports 600 bike.

[yungatart]

If my young fella turned up with a 400/600, whatever, I would admire it, then make him prak it in the gagre and hand over the keys until he had the appropriate class of licence to ride it....but then I'm a bitch like that