Honda quitting ALL two strokes

**TLDV8** · 19th October 2006, 11:55

Originally Posted by Dadpole

Was Honda's attempt to keep up with the Suzukis.

Don't you mean,keep up with the MZ's disguised as Suzuki's thanks to Ernst Degner's defection to the West in 1961

...... of course the new found HP was handy for Hugh Anderson.

http://www.ozebook.com/handy.htm

http://www.suzukicycles.org/history/...960-1967.shtml

Suzuki RG500 = 2 x 250 MZ's

**mstriumph** · 19th October 2006, 13:04

Originally Posted by Motu

How many more times is this subject going to be posted new when it's been known about for months.

Not too many years ago Honda didn't produce ANY two strokes,they were never a 2 stroke producer and only made them to keep competitive.Now through regulations 4 strokes are competitive they can drop the evil 2 stroke.

you having a bad day?

*runs out to barn to tell the '73 cb350 that she doesn't exist .............*

**SPman** · 19th October 2006, 17:25

Originally Posted by nudemetalz

Do visit that link, I've got it at home and been through it.
They don't make sounds like they used to, when the noise police didn't exist !!

And WHAT sounds..........even the 2 strokes didnt sound that bad - paticularly the little Yamaha 125 V4!

mind you - a CBR250RR with 4 into 4 megaphones would sound pretty good , I reckon. Someone did it in the UK a few years ago and got himself banned from all the tracks for excessive noise - 132db or something

**Timber020** · 19th October 2006, 18:30

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

What about lawn mowers? And chain saws?

Its slowly catching up with saws, the new ones out suck, still 2 strokes but getting heavier, slower, less reliable and more expensive. It started some time back when they made anti tamper (ie cant properly make em sing) carbs, then more restrictive pipes. As it is every saw I buy automatically has a date with the dremel to increase its performance and longevity. But its getting crazy.

Going to miss the happy howl of the CR

**arj127** · 19th October 2006, 18:52

become of the 125 and 250 GP bikes? Will they introduce 450cc 4 strokes into the 250 class like they did in MX. I think its sad the 2 strokers are fading away, really enjoy watching the 250 class in the NZ MX nationals, the awesome sound of the 2 stroke.

**Motig** · 19th October 2006, 19:04

You'd be right Motu. Thats why they brought out the Elsinore (spelling?) range of motocross bikes out in the 70's/80's ?, their 4-strokes couldn't compete. The Elsinore might have been their first 2-stroke range (I stand to be corrected on that,just dredging the memory).
On the other hand I can also remember reading articles about the 2-stroke being the engine of the future with the new technology available today, and it wasn't that long ago.

**jtzzr** · 19th October 2006, 19:15

I had a early 80`s cr 125 and that thing could move , fully rebuilt of course , damn I used to race cars going along the straight into Thames , and beat them and I was on the dirt , So long to fun things.

**Clivoris** · 19th October 2006, 19:31

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Heres hoping they incude jet skis, theyre a pain in the arse.

Ahh. I'm guessing that you haven't ridden one then. Incredible fun in the surf. Like putting surfing and motorcycling in a blender.

**Paulus** · 20th October 2006, 07:52

I've had a lot of 2 stroke CRs over the years and I'll miss them. I can't believe that the small number of 2 stroke dirt bikes ridden for small numbers of hours (relatively) contribute more than the tiniest drop in the bucket (ocean even) to the global air pollution problem. A sad day.

**"D" FZ1** · 20th October 2006, 07:58

Yamaha have just released the 07 YZ's at a reduced price from 06. $9995.00 for a YZ125 & $10995.00 for a YZ250. They have no plans to drop them and are continuing to develop their two stroke range.

**Ixion** · 20th October 2006, 08:06

So, what road going two strokes do they list ?

**nudemetalz** · 20th October 2006, 08:32

Originally Posted by Paulus

I can't believe that the small number of 2 stroke dirt bikes ridden for small numbers of hours (relatively) contribute more than the tiniest drop in the bucket (ocean even) to the global air pollution problem. A sad day.

IMO, it's more about a clean, green marketing image.

**Ixion** · 20th October 2006, 08:36

Originally Posted by Paulus

I've had a lot of 2 stroke CRs over the years and I'll miss them. I can't believe that the small number of 2 stroke dirt bikes ridden for small numbers of hours (relatively) contribute more than the tiniest drop in the bucket (ocean even) to the global air pollution problem. A sad day.

Hm. You haven't seen Petal at full chat, have you .