Running Wide

[MSTRS:Me]

I read something recently that said that Guzzis actually like a bit of rear brake in the corners. That said I've never seen it said anywhere that rolling off the throttle makes the bike tip more. Yes, I know it's on the track, but have a look at the rear tyre of any (successful) race bike - they don't get like that on the sides from throttling off

[idb]

I read something recently that said that Guzzis actually like a bit of rear brake in the corners. That said I've never seen it said anywhere that rolling off the throttle makes the bike tip more. Yes, I know it's on the track, but have a look at the rear tyre of any (successful) race bike - they don't get like that on the sides from throttling off

Also using the throttle mid-corner can have an effect on Guzzis because of the gyroscopic effect of the crankshaft and flywheel.

[Motu]

My XLV750 had huge engine braking tyre wear - with not so good tyres it would step out on corner entry,on better tyres you could see it had been really working on that mid section of the tyre,only trail braking there,this was all caused by engine braking.My Guzzi experiance is a long time ago,but they definatly pull down on right handers,coming out of a left you just relax and they roll up all by themselves...they squat on corner entry engine braking,more than any shaft drive bike I've ridden.

[MSTRS:Me]

Also using the throttle mid-corner can have an effect on Guzzis because of the gyroscopic effect of the crankshaft and flywheel.

Guzzi's are a bit of an anomoly....I mentioned them since not all bikes are the same and technique has to be adjusted to suit. In general though a bit of throttle is the way to go in a sticky moment

[mynameis]

We were talking about this the other day and duc-girl made the comment that when this happens she tells herself "I know the bike can do it".

I find it works, puts your faith in the bike and relaxes the rider, and hell if the bike can't do it you're probably screwed anyway, so what the hell.

Cool bananas maybe you could explain it to me this sunday at Whenuapai. I am in for the last RRRS course of the year. Finally got my ass around it

mynameis

[Biff]

Guzzi's are a bit of an anomoly....

From what I've read most 'shafties' suffer from similar differences in terms of gyroscopic effect to chain/belt driven motormacycles. The horizontal spin of the shaft combined with the effect created by the wheel wheel spinning means that they handle differently in corners, and require a different kind of riding technique.

[Ixion]

Guzzi's are a bit of an anomoly....,,

Not half as much of an anomoly as Guzzi riders

[Biff]

Not half as much of an anomoly as Guzzi riders

Like Dangerous, he rides a Guzzi - no...wait..sorry.... he's animaly

[Hitcher]

Not half as much of an anomoly as Guzzi riders

Or an anomaly either...

[MSTRS:Me]

You know - I tried that first, but it didn't 'look right'. The shame...the shame...*hangs head*

[Hitcher]

*hangs head*

Commenting on the apostrophe as well would be churlish.

[black_trash]

i generally shit my pants and hope I make it.

the rest is just instinct, talent and instinct.

Totaly agree

[Richard Mc F]

Keep off the brakes, steady throttle and lean ......or more correctly countersteer, you do not want to use up your "traction budget" on any thing other than manouvering the bike through the corner, as has been noted we have more cornering grip and clearnace available than we know.

Thanks to Keith Code and "twist of the wrist" I learned these lessons in my previous life trying to tame Z1's, CB750's GS1000....and the one that taught me respect and control........the mighty XS1100.......roll off the gas in a tight situation, rear squat, front dived, you fucking near bent the bars steering it then, especially if the pegs and cases were down.

Ride that pig with smooth controlled agression ( S&W suspension, pipe, modifed timing curve, re jetted, steering damper and pirelli phantoms) and sport bike riders of the day wept ..........BUT IT'S A TOURING BIKE ( would have made a fucking good tui ad)

Look where you want to go........counter steer

[boomer]

Something you shouldn't do is pull the front brake (part of the panicking Biff mentioned). The expected result is for the bike to stand up, and if stands up, you tend to go straight, and not corner. Trust me on this... I found it out twice in 3 days...

i found this to be not true on sunday, doing silly speeds on a long sweeper to come across someone turning across our path into there driveway. i grabbed a huge handfull of the front and made sure i pushed the bars down to avoid the t-bone. it worked, the bike stayed over and infact i managed to get an even tighter line.. that along with a soiled g-string.