A noob Policey question

[Bussaman]

Have you considered an Aprillia rs250 instead of a 400??

[Lteejay]

i live in invercargill so that isnt too likely,nd if i do ill figure something out.lol

Wow - you must have a lot of faith in your own ability to mass produce cash. If you crashed into me without insurance, man
It's not that long to wait. Imagine when you want to upgrade from the 400 to something else and you dont have the money cause your paying off the BMW

[Grumpy Gnomb]

I agree with all of these comments and best to play by the rules as if you dont something always comes up and bites you in the arse

[JT.]

he sounded like a complete twat, but you know what? just get a 400. you may or may not get away with it. just don't come crying though when you get the $1200 fine plus demerits for no L plate, exceeding 70k, exceeding cc restriction, cause this thread WILL get dragged up

Put the crack pipe down or get some glasses, he's on his R.

man have you got a lot to learn. what happenes when you stove into the side of a $100k merc - unlicenced, uninsured, unloved, unrich...

There's a better chance of me winning lotto and I've never bought a ticket.

Its 6 moths ... don't be a dumb ass .. get the 250 and then sell it .. it's people like you my friend that fuck it up for the rest of us.

Its actually 2 years if he just got his L, however he has his R so its 18 or 12 months if he decides to do the ripoff course.

Ben, you'll uninsured and risk a $400 if you get pulled over. As imdying says just ride with your head, whichever bike you choose.

[Ixion]

Just a thought. Next Wednesday the gubbermint is going to announce ANOTHER swag of new restrictions, to "get the road toll down". Rumours have it that some of these will focus on young drivers breaking the conditions of the L and R licences. mainly aimed at car drivers filling the car up with their mates at night on an L , but bikes will doubtless be caught up also. And one possibility that has been bruited is impoundment for breach of licence.

So maybe wait until next Wednesday to decide ?

[Biff]

Riding an off-roader may teach you how to ride a bike off road, but teaches you bugger all about road riding and hazard perception. Hitting the road, a car or anything else hard can hurt a lot more than binning it off road. Granted you probably bin it more off road than on road - otherwise most of us would be disabled by now, or worse..

Don't be a plonker. Stick with a 2fiddy for the time being.

Softly, softly catchie monkey.

[pervert]

Riding an off-roader may teach you how to ride a bike off road, but teaches you bugger all about road riding and hazard perception.

But cars can teach most of that.

I rode dirt bikes for years, then not too long ago went and got a road bike. The day I picked the bike up was my first ride of a legal motorbike on the road, and I rode it home (over 200kms) and haven't had an issue since...

[Biff]

But cars can teach most of that.

I disagree buddy. Motormacycling requires the need to 'tune in' to the hazards around you far more than driving a car ever will. Cars give drivers a false sense of security - if you hit something in the car, chances are you'll walk away. Not with a bike though.

I'm not saying you wont be able to ride a bike on the road - That's a piece of piss. But staying alive, or at least in one piece for your riding lifetime often requires a totally different set of skills than driving a car.

[pervert]

I disagree buddy. Motormacycling requires the need to 'tune in' to the hazards around you far more than driving a car ever will. Cars give drivers a false sense of security - if you hit something in the car, chances are you'll walk away. Not with a bike though.

I'm not saying you wont be able to ride a bike on the road - That's a piece of piss. But staying alive, or at least in one piece for your riding lifetime often requires a totally different set of skills than driving a car.

I'm not debating that, but you said "road riding and hazard perception", the concept is the same, the consequences are the main difference.

When I'm driving a car, I still position myself best, and look for all potential hazards including is this fuckwit in front of me going to pull out or cross lanes into my path. I don't want to fuck up my car OR my bike. My body isn't an issue.

Also pay attention to where I said "most".

[scracha]

But cars can teach most of that.

I rode dirt bikes for years, then not too long ago went and got a road bike. The day I picked the bike up was my first ride of a legal motorbike on the road, and I rode it home (over 200kms) and haven't had an issue since...

So you got lucky.

Riding a dirt bike teaches you how to ride a bike on dirt, how to balance and how to operate the controls. It teaches you @#$ck all about how to ride a rather heavy road bike at high speed on tarmac nor how to deal with other traffic.

I honestly can't believe some of the folks on this thread telling this guy that it's perfectly OK to go out and start riding a 400. A 400 has WAY more torque than a 250. Hell, most countries don't let you learn on a 250. Is this guy such a riding god that a 250cc bike capable of >200Kmph isn't good enough for him until he decides to pass his test? If he's so capable then why not just pass the test first?

Why doesn't he not just go the whole hog and get a GSXR1000 as the cops are less likely to pull him on suspicion of being on a restricted?

Other learners on this site keep demonstrating their lack of restraint with the right hand and lack of common sense with regards to illegally carrying pillions or not wearing safety gear. Encouraging the inexperienced onto large bikes isn't a great idea IMHO.

[Biff]

Also pay attention to where I said "most".

I did pay attention, and I disagree. I was always taught, and practice, that there should be a significant difference between your road positioning on a bike than in a car. Primarily due to the fact that cars are more visible than bikes, so you should ride your bike in order to maximise your visibility to other motorists. This is something that generally, isn't necessary when driving a car.

Hazard perception when offroading is totally different from riding on the road, save for one or two things. So they 'mostly' differ IMO.

Obviously our views differ. Good luck.

[davereid]

Why not get a 200-250cc chook chaser? Road legal, learner legal, do all legal highway speeds, great commuters, fast on the twisties, and then after all that, you get to go on trail rides !
Biff points out that you have to tune - in on the road ; of course he is right, but thats a mental attitude, not caused by or related to the make of your bike. But off road, you will learn balance, braking, counter steering, how to deal with potholes, bumps in the corner and unexpected obstacles on the road. And now they are quite cheap. Bikes like the Lifan LF200 are bloody great learner value at around the same price as a GN 250. What ever else you do, dont get a 400. One mistake could cost $$$$

[Ixion]

with all your skillz and experience, why are you farting about on a 400. You'll only look like a wally when the guys on big bikes blast past you. Don't shag around, go straight to a litre bike. After all, you've got all the skills , right?

BTW , while you're still around can I interest you on a special offer on the giant economy size of "Genoclene" ®. Evolution you can see.

[adiddy]

hey mate,
ive had a bike for a year, and rode dirt for about 10 years!
i got a 250 and for the last year had a lot of fun ... however still on ym restricted because im more focused on sport and am a student I have been riding a 600cc! Each tiemn I ride it i risk a huge fine and its not half as fun as riding a legal bike

I could have been a fool and bought 1 but no - listen to the majority of advice these guys give .
Experience mate you cant beat it- live from others mistakes

Peace Out ADIDDY/Aaron

[Balding Eagle]

There are none so blind as those who will not see!! If you think that you are so shit hot; go ahead and disregard the law. HOWEVER, understand that when you have an accident, it will be all down hill. If you hit someone who owns an expensive car, you can guarantee that they will drag you through the courts until your eyes water. They will probably lose money on the effort but they will be able to afford it and will do it to teach you a lesson. If it was me, I would take you to the cleaners. I am a strong believer in personal responsibility. You are not being responsible for your actions and as such do not belong on the roads in any shape or form. I suspect that you are a male under the age of 25. I suggest that you grow up and try to behave as though you have past puberty and adolescence and are prepared to take up the responsibility of adulthood.