More restrictions and speed limits coming up. Announcement 13 December

**Ixion** · 18th December 2006, 22:49

Sex. You left out sex. Sex kills, y'know. And pumpkins. Y'left them out too.

**bell** · 18th December 2006, 22:57

beer? you include beer? but i like beer...

**bell** · 18th December 2006, 23:26

Originally Posted by Jantar

If you are going to quote this type of comparisom statistic, then please put it in context. A 25.8 persent increase in motorcyle serious accidents, but what was the associated increase in motorcycle use? One increase without the other is meaningless.

I do note that you are quoting John McRoberts, but you are doing so to put forward your own point of view. Nowhere has John McRoberts looked at the rider who is travelling well within his limits on an open road. All examples are either extreme examples or ones where the primary cause is something other than speed.

The assertion you make Jantar that I have posted this to put forward my own point of view is incorrect. It is fair to state that I agree with some of the points he makes, however I'd stop well short of plagiarising his magazine article and claiming his views to be my own - hence the quotation marks I bothered to include.

Perhaps someone reading the thread will find the piece by McRoberts useful and that would be positive.

West Aust had a 28.2% increase in m/c registrations between 2002 and 2006. Sourced from Census data on the abs.gov.au website. Not as useful as it could be the 2002-2006 comparison, but...

**bluninja** · 19th December 2006, 05:37

All interesting stuff....I have the 'joy' of travelling along a variable speed limit section of motorway with speed cameras every other overhead gantry. It's so nice to see the twinkling of speed camera lights snapping cameras on the other carriageway as I make my way home at night..(30 mins to go).

If you think standard speed limits are arbitrary you should travel where the speed limit is (all mph) 60 when it's nose to tail, and 40 as things are clear. I personally have more to watch than my speedo....including somebody sat right on my arse (within the speed limit) and making sure I have an escape route from a shunt should I need to brake firmly.

In the UK radar and laser detectors are technically illegal. However using satnav to alert you to the position of fixed speed traps is not. This has been allowed on the basis that speed traps should be set up in blackspots and this gives you advanced warning of a hazardous piece of road......it also makes you aware so that you can deal with the panic braking as people spot the bright yellow cameras. I travel home past a speed camera on the transiton from a 50mph to 40mph zone. I am constantly amazed at the cars that brake suddenly from 40 down to 30 as they get to the camera. To me many speed cameras and the threat of police enforcement is likely to cause more accidents and near misses as people concentrate on the policing 'threat' and react in unpredictable ways (fear does that to you) than concentrate on driving to the prevailing conditions.

I will soon leave for my 110 km trip home. I will possibly exceed the posted speed on motorway and dual carriageway if I deem it safe for me to do so. I will certainly lane split for about 30 kms of my trip. I will look at my speedo rarely, as the engine note and the gear that I'm in give me a good reference so I can use my eyes for other things.

Until the majority are convinced through education to adjust their riding/driving habits and attitude then speeding enforcement will cease to have a profound and lasting effect. If punishment were a successful and good way of behaviour modification we'd still be beating sense into our kids!Like kids we stick to the rules when parents (the police) are watching, and do what we consider is right for us when their backs are turned.

Time to get my bike gear on and select a 'safe' attitude to get me home.

**madandy** · 19th December 2006, 11:34

Originally Posted by bluninja

Until the majority are convinced through education to adjust their riding/driving habits and attitude then speeding enforcement will cease to have a profound and lasting effect. If punishment were a successful and good way of behaviour modification we'd still be beating sense into our kids!Like kids we stick to the rules when parents (the police) are watching, and do what we consider is right for us when their backs are turned.

Well said that man

The first step to improved driver education will be educating politicians and those who run the LTSA etc.

Coup anyone?

**Lou Girardin** · 19th December 2006, 17:52

Originally Posted by bell

Worse still is the case of a rider stopped by police doing 101km/h in a 60 km/h zone. The exchange with police over, the 20-year-old took off. Tragically, four minutes and a few kilometres later, he ignored a red traffic light, collided with a 4WD and was killed instantly. The harsh but stark reality is that this man's death need not have occurred but for attitude. Crash investigators concluded that speed and rider error were to blame and that's exactly why police enforce speed limits - to reduce road trauma by changing driver behaviour and attitude.

It sounds like ignoring a red light killed him. But what the hell, let's blame speed and issue more tickets.

**Swoop** · 19th December 2006, 18:18

Originally Posted by bell

beer? you include beer? but i like beer...

I note that IdleIdolIdyll has been silent for a while...
You wouldn't be one-in-the-same, by any chance???

New login perhaps?

Same stuff being spouted, plus the inability to NOT comment on a post...

**avgas** · 20th December 2006, 06:33

Originally Posted by bell

beer? you include beer? but i like beer...

Time to pick up 6pack of Hoe's....and some beer i say

**bell** · 20th December 2006, 16:26

Originally Posted by Swoop

I note that IdleIdolIdyll has been silent for a while...
You wouldn't be one-in-the-same, by any chance???

New login perhaps?

Same stuff being spouted, plus the inability to NOT comment on a post...

....n....o...

**avgas** · 23rd December 2006, 12:03

I just got declined a wof.... however after reading this :http://landtransport.govt.nz/publica...ycles-v2-3.pdf
I'm bloody supprised any motorbike is on the road.
Basically if you ride anything other than an unmodified gn125.....you are now illegal!
Anyone here work in a wof station? Cos apparently all the new kids coming through the ranks are getting forced this stuff before they can test

**Steam** · 23rd December 2006, 12:10

Originally Posted by avgas

I'm bloody supprised any motorbike is on the road.

Eh? I have read through that pdf for bikes and it all seems quite normal. What are you surprised at?
There are lots of rules, but you just approach them one by one when you are modifying and it's sweet.
Oh, and of course take the non-complying bits off at Wof time.

**Ixion** · 23rd December 2006, 12:14

Um. I'm not clear about the nature of the problem. That link is just the VIR manual. It's been the "bible" for WoF testers for a good many years. The only recent change to it is the addition of the bit about checking for smokey engines, which would normally only be an issue on two strokes (which have a special exemption, thanks to good work by BRONZ).

I agree that sometimes testers don't know their own rule book (especially with older bikes, where the rules don't all apply). But reference to it with a polite request to identify the section that they believe non compliant usualy sorts them out.

What did you get failed on ? Unless it was exhaust smoke, the rules are the same as they would have been last WoF. No new restrictions there. Of course, something may have been borderline last WoF and gone over the limit by this one. And as always different testers wll have different interpretations of a borderline case.

**TonyB** · 23rd December 2006, 12:30

Picked up an LTSA card giving following distances at different speeds. I thought it was quite interesting that all of the different speeds that they gave following distances for related to current speed limits.... all except the highest one. It was for 90km/h (or above), NOT 100km/h.

**Tim 39** · 24th December 2006, 22:58

all this speed limit bullshit pisses me off, theyre robbing people of their common sense, if you don't know when you should be doin 30 or 100 your an idiot. But because you get issued a speed for every situation (like 50k wen theres gravel cos of roadworks) this stops people having to think about what they shuld be doing. So all in all theyre going to have to get more and more guidance because theyre breeding retards quite effectively. and for those who can't control a car at 100k, what the hell are they doing with a licence? Imagine how useful theyre going to be in an emergency situation!!
and as for the 70k lerners thing, I got 400 buks stolen frm me by the police over this issue, apparently I "wasn't capable" of doing 100k on the motorway, when I questioned the officer about why. The thing that realy got to me is that I thought I was quite capable because I was road racing, and doing 170k on a 150, which is legal at 13, I don't understand it!
I'm sure you'll all agree

**Skyryder** · 26th December 2006, 08:25

About the only public education that is going to happen is from the Government and that will be on THE MYTH OF REVINUE GATHERING. This will be only one of the measures taken to restrore public confidence in the police in general.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10121798

Just you see if I'm wrong.

Skyryder